Corbyn used Ed Milliband's speech

kinger101

Marktheshark wrote: »

The idea of opening some mines ?
We are dependant on Russian Gas and French Electricity and when they shut down the two Yorkshire power stations that supply 40% of the grid we will be held to ransome by the french power firms.
The only idea the present lot have is to let the chinese build a nuclear powerstation and pay them 10x the going rate per MW.

The idea of self sufficiency in a rapidly unstable world does not sound that daft when you crunch the alternative in to the idea.
We have hundreds of years of coal stocks beneath our feet, more than enough to tide us over until better technological supplies are available.

10X the going rate? Can you quote me the price of a MW of nuclear, and a MW of coal including carbon capture (which has not been demonstrated yet) using coal sourced from a flooded mine. References please.

Thrugelmir

kinger101 wrote: »

While McDonnell's comments were stupid, I actually find the fuss over these quite trivial

Unfortunately many won't. These's plenty of open wounds that could easily be ignited.

Thrugelmir

Marktheshark wrote: »

That is why we are a rich country and some of the others where they are lazy and bone idle are not.
We have a mentality that if you want something you have to work to get it.

Not the British Empire?

We no longer work, we borrow.

Generali

Interesting to note that this man of integrity who is a conviction politician has dropped pretty much all of his principles now he's got the leadership.

Maybe, and I'm just floating this as a postulate, maybe it's not that all politicians are venal and corrupt it's that compromise is a precondition of politics in a democracy.

CLAPTON

kinger101 wrote: »

While McDonnell's comments were stupid, I actually find the fuss over these quite trivial in comparison to Blair's war crimes and Thatcher's support of brutal dictatorships. I guess the lesson here is the killing of innocent people is fine once you're PM.

McConnell and Corbyn have been long term supporters of the iRA.


McConnell words were completely clear and considered: he hasn't withdrawn his support for the IRA nor has he withdrawn his view that the killings of UK people was admirable.
(He did apologise for any 'offence' caused but only after 13 years and because his views became an impediment to power).


If you think killing people in Birmingham, Omagh, Warrington, Brighton etc is trivial then so beit.
If you think the IRA 'cause' justified the killing them that says a lot about you.

kinger101

CLAPTON wrote: »

McConnell and Corbyn have been long term supporters of the iRA.


McConnell words were completely clear and considered: he hasn't withdrawn his support for the IRA nor has he withdrawn his view that the killings of UK people was admirable.
(He did apologise for any 'offence' caused but only after 13 years and because his views became an impediment to power).

If you think killing people in Birmingham, Omagh, Warrington, Brighton etc is trivial then so beit.
If you think the IRA 'cause' justified the killing them that says a lot about you.

I didn't say that at all though did I? I was just pointing out a double standard. McDonnell says something silly. Blair invades a country leading to the loss of hundreds of thousands of lives, and the destablization of the region.

I'm quite annoyed by your post to be frank, and think you owe me an apology.

Fella

Generali wrote: »

Interesting to note that this man of integrity who is a conviction politician has dropped pretty much all of his principles now he's got the leadership.

Even before he got it. When he stood he specifically said he didn't want to win the leadership election. That changed abruptly around the time it became apparent he might win the leadership election.

Mistermeaner

I've no particular issue with corbyn the man and find the personal nit-picking distracts from the far bigger issue which is his and johns bulls h I t policies and economics.

There's are a danger in chucking all this pointless mud at him that not only does is not stick he actually looks better for it - makes the right seem scared of him and unwilling to engage on the issues.

Corbyn should be picked apart for his incoherent policies nothing more.

Alot of this comes from the 'press' which I've never liked anyway , left or right

Mistermeaner

CLAPTON wrote: »

If you think killing people in Birmingham, Omagh, Warrington, Brighton etc is trivial then so beit.
If you think the IRA 'cause' justified the killing them that says a lot about you.

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I don't think kinger said that at all.

mayonnaise

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Tomorrow is another day, and something new of little relevance will be seized upon.

So true! Breaking news...