Corbyn used Ed Milliband's speech

Fella

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11898060/labour-conference-day-three-live.html

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/09/much-of-jeremy-corbyns-speech-today-was-written-for-ed-miliband-in-2011/

Hasn't taken long for Corbyn to abandon all pretence of "a new kind of politics". Using stuff that was written for (& rejected by) Milliband in 2011? Talk about aiming low & hitting the target.

Pretty poor that he then had his lackeys deny it initially.

Rinoa

One or two journo's have compared him to Mr Bean. You can see what they mean. :rotfl:

Graham_Devon

I don't see what the issue is?

It was offered to Corbyn by Mr Heller (the speechwriter) and Corbyn took it. It's not as if it was stolen or even as if Corbyn was looking for it.

All leaders speaches are written for them.

The Telegraph (and the OP, who to be fair may have taken it from the telegraph) make out it was written for Ed Milliband, but this isn't the case. it was written before Ed even got the job, infact, it was written in the 1980's. It's been offered to quite a few leaders, as Heller points out. It was offered to Ed Milliband, the same as it was offered to Corbyn.

Corbyn has tripped up a couple of times since taking power, but I fail to see what the issue is here.

Corbyn made a speech that Milliband didn't.... apart from the fact that's not exactly breaking news, if he'd made the same speech as Milliband the telegraph would be wetting itself over that too.

Mistermeaner

Maybe saying whatever ed didn't is the way forward

kinger101

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I don't see what the issue is?

It was offered to Corbyn by Mr Heller (the speechwriter) and Corbyn took it. It's not as if it was stolen or even as if Corbyn was looking for it.

All leaders speaches are written for them.

The Telegraph (and the OP, who to be fair may have taken it from the telegraph) make out it was written for Ed Milliband, but this isn't the case. it was written before Ed even got the job. It's been offered to quite a few leaders, as Heller points out. It was offered to Ed Milliband, the same as it was offered to Corbyn.

Corbyn has tripped up a couple of times since taking power, but I fail to see what the issue is here.

Corbyn made a speech that Milliband didn't.... apart from the fact that's not exactly breaking news, if he'd made the same speech as Milliband the telegraph would be wetting itself over that too.

Heaven forbid the idea that a man who wants to run the country should have the ability to write his own speech. A task even an inebriated best man could manage.

Being able to read out aloud qualifies you for doing Jackanory. Possibly being a newscaster if you manage it live. Not being prime minister, and the de facto commander-in-chief for the armed forces.

CLAPTON

kinger101 wrote: »

Heaven forbid the idea that a man who wants to run the country should have the ability to write his own speech. A task even an inebriated best man could manage.

Being able to read out aloud qualifies you for doing Jackanory. Possibly being a newscaster if you manage it live. Not being prime minister, and the de facto commander-in-chief for the armed forces.

no problem then : if Corbyn is ever PM we won't have any armed forces

Fella

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I don't see what the issue is?

It was offered to Corbyn by Mr Heller (the speechwriter) and Corbyn took it. It's not as if it was stolen or even as if Corbyn was looking for it.

All leaders speaches are written for them.

My point was that Corbyn is claiming to be different. That's his whole selling point. Using a 4-y-old speech written for someone else would be no big deal for your typical MP perhaps. But if you're going to position yourself as a new kind of politician then you need to do a lot better than offer up some recycled 4-year-old spin for your first big speech.

kinger101

CLAPTON wrote: »

no problem then : if Corbyn is ever PM we won't have any armed forces

I thought he'd need them for the summary execution of the Blairites.

Graham_Devon

Fella wrote: »

My point was that Corbyn is claiming to be different. That's his whole selling point. Using a 4-y-old speech written for someone else would be no big deal for your typical MP perhaps. But if you're going to position yourself as a new kind of politician then you need to do a lot better than offer up some recycled 4-year-old spin for your first big speech.

Being a different kind of politician doesn't involve literally doing absolutely everything differently.

I know people have a problem with Corbyn, but going to this level is rather absurd. I really don't have a clue why you believe the leader of aparty would spend his time writing speeches for the labour party conference. It's like expecting the CEO of Tesco's to input supplier invoices into the system.

He made clear today what he means by a different type of politics.

Haters gonna hate though, so theres no real point in typing any of this.

Mistermeaner

Don't have a major issue with corbyn copying and old speech - he didn't say anything new so no point starting from scratch

Given its length it's probably written by many different people and I expect most such speeches are cobbled together with bits of this and that.

I read something interesting once that due to limited number of musical notes and the even more limited number of notes that sound good together (cords) there is a calculable finite number of combinations and permutations in which said notes can be played to make music

As we've been composing away for a few centuries we have long since hit the cap - unsubtly this is clear in the amount of covers and covers of covers you hear nowadays , along with the rise in popularity of djs who 'mix' the music of others - much more subtly though the patterns of notes found in alot of 'new' hit songs are tonally identical to patterns found in the classics of Mozart et al.

kinger101

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Being a different kind of politician doesn't involve literally doing absolutely everything differently.

I know people have a problem with Corbyn, but going to this level is rather absurd.

He made clear today what he means by a different type of politics.

I don't know how much this goes on with other party leaders. In my view, any leader who cannot write their own speech for the annual party conference is unfit for the job. But this goes beyond that. He hasn't even commissioned a speech on his behalf. He's essentially used an old speech written for a different politician. To me, this is akin to someone fishing some scraps out of the bin and then calling themselves a chef.

I know Corbyn has had a lot of !!!! thrown at him he didn't deserve. Especially all the silly stuff we had at the weekend about a Sinn Fein leader from 1916 (we'd not have had the same nonsense if Cameron has said something about Thomas Jefferson).

But this is just really poor stuff, and another indication, like the confusion over EU, Trident, and the apology for the Iraq war, that he simply isn't up to the job.