Murials - what's your feeling?

GlynD

Mistral001 wrote: »

The Holyland is end-to-end students.
Rory left school at 16 and is a muti-miilionaire.
Maybe the "artist" just had a twisted sense of humour

I thought there were a lot of Eastern European immigrants down there too in the Holyland and general university area - am I wrong?

missmean

Hilda Hogan, wasn't she married to yer man Hulk Hogan?
Murals are horrific and ugly. I am mostly offended by the ones that are poor quality artwork.

qwert_yuiop

GlynD wrote: »

I'm with you on that. With such a small population it should be easy for the authorities to clamp down on these things. I gather we also still have a pretty large police force compared to comparable areas elsewhere. So why not?

There's also the issue of people who live in areas so dominated by gangs. It must be terrible for them. Most people just want to get on with things and enjoy some quality of life but intimidation is a terrible thing and if you're in an estate or something you'd be very vulnerable to the hoods.

Time to stamp them out I say.

Internment?

qwert_yuiop

missmean wrote: »

Hilda Hogan, wasn't she married to yer man Hulk Hogan?
Murals are horrific and ugly. I am mostly offended by the ones that are poor quality artwork.

Oh no, we've got an art snob.
Come on - they're "folk art", "intuitive", "Bauerkunstlerisch", "faux-naif" and "primitivist". Although some of the ones round here are just "hopeless".

GlynD

qwert_yuiop wrote: »

Internment?

No. Not back to emergency powers. I think this can be sorted out with the normal civil powers.

emmett123

and when we are painting over the murals, can we also get rid of all those war memorials that clutter up town centers, with a nostalgia for the glory days of a long forgotten empire.

GlynD

emmett123 wrote: »

and when we are painting over the murals, can we also get rid of all those war memorials that clutter up town centers, with a nostalgia for the glory days of a long forgotten empire.

The war memorials in town centres however are put there by the councils - officially. I'd be more worried about all the unofficial "war" memorials which clutter up estates and roadsides which, in most cases, have no permission to be there and are memorials to terrorists. The same for for murials which glorify terrorism and paramilitary gangs - get them painted over.

EDIT: Of course if we did what you wanted Emmett, in the spirit of Eire Nua, we'd have to do the same in the 26 counties. Gone will be all the memorials to the heroes of the "rising" as well as the beautiful Garden of Remembrance in O'Connell Street which takes up so much room ans the Lutyens memorial to the fallen of Ireland in Phoenix Park.

emmett123

GlynD wrote: »

The war memorials in town centres however are put there by the councils - officially. I'd be more worried about all the unofficial "war" memorials which clutter up estates and roadsides which, in most cases, have no permission to be there and are memorials to terrorists. The same for for murials which glorify terrorism and paramilitary gangs - get them painted over.

EDIT: Of course if we did what you wanted Emmett, in the spirit of Eire Nua, we'd have to do the same in the 26 counties. Gone will be all the memorials to the heroes of the "rising" as well as the beautiful Garden of Remembrance in O'Connell Street which takes up so much room ans the Lutyens memorial to the fallen of Ireland in Phoenix Park.

Personally i have no problem getting rid of all the war paraphernalia all over the island. I tend to think that most of those memorials are only to perpetuate the idea that war is an acceptable idea.

but on the idea of the murals, i don't see any difference between them and the approved war memorials... they all are just the attempt of whatever group who are in power to mark their territory and force their version of events on everyone else.

Was it the recent mural to Vol. Martin Meehan that prompted you into this thread?

GlynD

emmett123 wrote: »

Personally i have no problem getting rid of all the war paraphernalia all over the island. I tend to think that most of those memorials are only to perpetuate the idea that war is an acceptable idea.

but on the idea of the murals, i don't see any difference between them and the approved war memorials... they all are just the attempt of whatever group who are in power to mark their territory and force their version of events on everyone else.

Was it the recent mural to Vol. Martin Meehan that prompted you into this thread?

The thing is Emmett: each state reserves the right to honours the fallen of the nation. Those who fought to make the state what it is today. That's why I find it quite acceptable to have war memorials here and in the ROI. Even though the ROI honours republican dead it's their right to do so because they helped create the state, and it's their state (by definition).

Not so in the north. The only people who deserve to be honoured are crown forces. The rest were terrorists, no matter who they claimed to represent. They had no mandate from the people: none of them. This is our state. We're not citizens of the ROI but rather we are British - no matter what some of us may think we are. Unless you've claimed your right under articles 2 and 3 (am I right?) of the old Irish Constitution which is recognised under the 1948 Anglo/Irish Agreement.

The canvas painting of that criminal Meehan (I don't dignify terrorists with titles) is just one of the things which is irking me at the moment. My major concern is actually directed towards East Belfast where innocuous murials have been over-painted with images of the UVF.

Not acceptable: none of them. All they do, as you rightly say, is to assert ownership of areas by tribal groupings and serve only to intimidate.

emmett123

GlynD wrote: »

The thing is Emmett: each state reserves the right to honours the fallen of the nation. Those who fought to make the state what it is today. That's why I find it quite acceptable to have war memorials here and in the ROI. Even though the ROI honours republican dead it's their right to do so because they helped create the state, and it's their state (by definition).

Not so in the north. The only people who deserve to be honoured are crown forces. The rest were terrorists, no matter who they claimed to represent. They had no mandate from the people: none of them. This is our state. We're not citizens of the ROI but rather we are British - no matter what some of us may think we are. Unless you've claimed your right under articles 2 and 3 (am I right?) of the old Irish Constitution which is recognised under the 1948 Anglo/Irish Agreement.

The canvas painting of that criminal Meehan (I don't dignify terrorists with titles) is just one of the things which is irking me at the moment. My major concern is actually directed towards East Belfast where innocuous murials have been over-painted with images of the UVF.

Not acceptable: none of them. All they do, as you rightly say, is to assert ownership of areas by tribal groupings and serve only to intimidate.

it would appear that new mood of acceptance and tolerance in the six counties has it limitations when it come to this stuff...

the only people who deserve to be honored are the crown forces? an organisation sent to Ireland to murder and deny the democratic expression of its people and to fund, arm and train their proxy loyalist squads.