Offered work if I'm self employed - help

Wsb5tails

I have been asked to help out for a few days a month which might become full time but its only offered to me as a self employed person. I need advice, I know I will need to do all the bookkeeping, invoicing etc, pay my own taxes and employ an accountant. I don't envisage working for any others so I understand HMRC will consider me employed anyway. It all seems a lot of hassle with no advantages for me.
What do you think?

phill99

You arent being offered any 'work' at all. Your client (what would be called your employer in a PAYE roll) has offered you 'work' on a self employed contracted basis.

It's not for your employer to decide that you should be self employed, but HMRC. There is a list ifstulations on what is deemed self employment and as you will have no other clients, it's unlikely that the HMRC would class you as self employed.

It looks like someone's trying to pull a fast one!

anamenottaken

so02see wrote: »

I have been asked to help out for a few days a month which might become full time but its only offered to me as a self employed person. I need advice, I know I will need to do all the bookkeeping, invoicing etc, pay my own taxes and employ an accountant. I don't envisage working for any others so I understand HMRC will consider me employed anyway. It all seems a lot of hassle with no advantages for me.
What do you think?

Just to say that you do not have to employ an accountant. If your affairs are straightforward and you are capable of doing the bookkeeping/invoicing you should be capable of completing your tax return.

Whilst it is part-time and you may find other clients, it may be that you would be accepted as truly self-employed by HMRC. Maybe speak with someone with HRMC?

Wsb5tails

phill99 wrote: »

You arent being offered any 'work' at all. Your client (what would be called your employer in a PAYE roll) has offered you 'work' on a self employed contracted basis.

It's not for your employer to decide that you should be self employed, but HMRC. There is a list ifstulations on what is deemed self employment and as you will have no other clients, it's unlikely that the HMRC would class you as self employed.

It looks like someone's trying to pull a fast one!

Thanks for your reply but it inspires another question.
If you think this client is trying to pull a fast one, are you saying, there would be no benefits in a self employed arrangement for me?

I have had clients, 3 or 4 at a time a few years ago but I used Giant.

LittleVoice

I think the "fast one" is that, if they are actually your employer, your being self-employed means that they are avoiding paying employers NI, sick pay, or holiday pay, and there would be no requirement to give you notice to terminate the arrangement (unless you included something about notice in your terms of business).

Your rate for the job needs to take into account an amount to compensate you for holiday pay and some element for potential savings for when you may be sick or unemployed and unable to claim JSA.

ragz_2

We took a guy hubby worked for to employment tribunal for disagreement over this and they said there is a third term, 'worker' which was somewhere in between (so not as black and white as we expected).