Ex Claiming he's split up

Ly13

Hi can anyone advise me?

My ex pays me £275 pm for my 16 year old daughter, he now has another child but didnt advise the CSA for some reason.

Now he's advised me that he's planning to pretend to CSA he's split from his partner and will setup a payment arrangement with her or if that doesnt work get her to log a new case for his new baby.

Then my payments will halve.

He says he'll change address etc, has this happened to anyone, can anything be done?

thanks L

kevin137

It can be done, but it is a very dangerous game to play...! And it won't halve... It would reduce from 15% to 10% So not as much as he thinks...!

I don't get why he would want to do this, the risk is just crazy...!!!

In terms of investigating, i am not sure what they do, but i guess the wtc ctc etc will all be looked at and if that remains a joint claim then they would have proof, and i think he may lose loads from that if he does say he moved so they could end up worse off...!!!

shoe*diva79

His liability will go from 15% to 20% and he wont have any reductions for children living with him. 10% would then come to you. If he continues to live with his 'ex' and she or him claim WTC/CTC as a single person then they are committing benefit fraud and you could report them.

kevin137

shoe*diva79 wrote: »

His liability will go from 15% to 20% and he wont have any reductions for children living with him. 10% would then come to you. If he continues to live with his 'ex' and she or him claim WTC/CTC as a single person then they are committing benefit fraud and you could report them.

@shoe*diva79

I don't understand the ins and outs of WTC and CTC but i always thought as a single person you would get less when you claim, but as joint then more, is this correct...???

If so, then he would potentially lose more than he gains... And is easily checkable and or reportable for benefit fraud as he would be there when he isn't for the claim with CSA or not be there.... You get what i mean i'm sure....

It is fraud for benefit or fraud for child support either way, it is breaking the law, and i would of thought that you could actually report him for Child Support Fraud if he does not move but claims he is... That could result in prison... Unlikely but could... Benefit Fraud, while is more likely to be looked at nowadays, will probably get a slap on the wrist for...

HoneyNutLoop

For starters, you can report it to the CSA that you believe the new application is fraudulent. Give them as much info as possible about the situation.

As Kevin says, it's a very dangerous decision for the NRP to make. For example, if he hasn't really moved out but the partner starts claiming single person's council tax discount/benefits/tax credits to make it look "real" that's a whole world of fraud they could be getting into.

If they don't do any of that it's pretty simple for the CSA to substantiate the separation is false, as they can check who's registered at an address for council tax, the electoral role, credit reference agency data, tax credit claims, child benefit claims, DWP data, address held by the NRP's employer, HMRC and NICO data for a start and that's before a case is passed to their Criminal Compliance Team if they think it warrants further investigation.

shoe*diva79

kevin137 wrote: »

@shoe*diva79

I don't understand the ins and outs of WTC and CTC but i always thought as a single person you would get less when you claim, but as joint then more, is this correct...???

If so, then he would potentially lose more than he gains... And is easily checkable and or reportable for benefit fraud as he would be there when he isn't for the claim with CSA or not be there.... You get what i mean i'm sure....

It is fraud for benefit or fraud for child support either way, it is breaking the law, and i would of thought that you could actually report him for Child Support Fraud if he does not move but claims he is... That could result in prison... Unlikely but could... Benefit Fraud, while is more likely to be looked at nowadays, will probably get a slap on the wrist for...

I dont know the figures of a single or a joint claim, but if someone is claiming as a single parent when they are infact living with someone then that is benefit fraud. Also, as Hone says, the single clakment can claim CT discount etc etc so very very dodgy ground!

Ly13

great thanks. He might try it but by the looks of it he'll get caught in no time.

he's on the old scheme so pays 20% for my daughter, so i guess this is why he's giving it halvers! i'll wait and see, he's paid it so long would be foolish to stop paying it now or trying this on.

maybe its because he thought my daughter would leave school but now she's planning on staying on ano 2 years then going to do an HNC at college.

Thank you

L

FBaby

I assume this wasn't in writing? Can't you somehow go along with it and get it in writing...then send to the csa.... not only would be fraud from the csa perspective, but most likely she will also claim benefits as a single person...

shoe*diva79

Ly13 wrote: »

great thanks. He might try it but by the looks of it he'll get caught in no time.

he's on the old scheme so pays 20% for my daughter, so i guess this is why he's giving it halvers! i'll wait and see, he's paid it so long would be foolish to stop paying it now or trying this on.

maybe its because he thought my daughter would leave school but now she's planning on staying on ano 2 years then going to do an HNC at college.

Thank you

L

If he is on old rules then he will more then likely pay more as our case wont automatically be moved to CSA2. It will be phased over 5 years!

kevin137

The phasing would be assessed at what he pays now, what he would pay, then a reduction of 20% of the difference each year for 5 years, and as the deduction would be by DEO i am guessing they would take an extra 10% on top for her. Which if they had not split may be no issue, but the WTC and CTC could really be a problem...!!!

Personally, if you have an email address for him, send him the link to this forum, he may change his mind very quickly...!!!

galangm8

Ly13 wrote: »

great thanks. He might try it but by the looks of it he'll get caught in no time.

he's on the old scheme so pays 20% for my daughter, so i guess this is why he's giving it halvers! i'll wait and see, he's paid it so long would be foolish to stop paying it now or trying this on.

maybe its because he thought my daughter would leave school but now she's planning on staying on ano 2 years then going to do an HNC at college.

Thank you

L

As your case is still CSA old rules remember the 'Carer Element' ENDS when child becomes 16 years old (£71.00pw at today's rates).:eek: Makes a big, big difference.