Why doesn't Cameron want Scottish Independence?

IveSeenTheLight

Jennifer_Jane wrote: »

Which, in my book, iveseenthelight, makes her English, not German, and not Scottish. So, how will the Scots pay for her keep?

I admit History is not my greatest subject, however a quick search: -

We've established the monarchy goes back to the Union of the Crowns to which James VI was the King.

There is a good family tree showing the heritage from James Vi all the way down to our current Monarch Queen Elizabeth II (nicely shown in a purple colour to identify the monarchs and their periods of reign.

I trust we can accept that the monarchy is past down to the eldest son and passes to daughters if no son is available to be an heir.

Therefore to trace the UK Monarchy prior to James VI we need to trace up the father line.

James Vi (Scottish)
v
Henry Stuart, Lord Darnley (Scottish)
v
Matthew Stewart, 4th Earl of Lennox (Scottish)
v
John Stewart, 3rd Earl of Lennox (Scottish)
v
Matthew Stewart, 2nd Earl of Lennox (Scottish)
v
John Stewart, 1st Earl of Lennox (Scottish)
v
Alan Stewart of Darnley (Scottish)
v
John Stewart of Darnley (Scottish)
v
Alexander Stewart of Darnley (d.1404) (Scottish)
v
Alexander Stewart of Darnley (d.1374)(Scottish)
v
Alan Stewart of Dreghorn (Scottish)
v
John Stewart of Bonkyll (Scottish)

and so on

Indeed, prior to the Union of the Crowns (UK Monarch), there was a seperate monarchies for England and Scotland.

So we can see that Queen Elizabeth II, Monarch of the UK is a decendant of of the first UK Monarch who was clearly Scottish.

Your argument for manarchies prior to that resounds in an independant nation monarchy.

So again, to go back to your point, if Queen Elizabeth II is a decendant of James VI, who united the crowns but was Scottish by Nationality, how much will Englang pay to keep the Queen as the English Monarch (tongue in cheek)

robmatic

This is a bit pointless but Lord Darnley was a Yorkshireman.

IveSeenTheLight

zagubov wrote: »

Well the Queen's mum was Scottish which makes the Queen, like James Bond, half-Scottish at least!:beer:

They do like their spiritual home in Balmoral don't they.

Can you imagine the future heir wearing a Morris Dancing costume?

He seems to be having a laugh about it


Whilst he seems at home wearing the kilt throughout the years





Again tongue in cheek

IveSeenTheLight

robmatic wrote: »

This is a bit pointless but Lord Darnley was a Yorkshireman.

Indeed you are right.
I miss-read.
He was the son of a Scotsman, born in Leeds and died in Scotland.
His tenure as King Consort of Scotland was 17 months before passing his reign to James VI a Scotsman

grizzly1911

ISTL

I have just come back from the Outer Hebrides and some of the roads up there with almost nil traffic on them are constructed to top notch motorway grade.

Several had twin track sections in the middlke of single track roads going virtually nowhere.

Yet where I live it is potholed to hell.

What has the monarchy and Scotland got to do with anything in this day and age ?;)

Shakethedisease

chewmylegoff wrote: »

perhaps, but as my graphs and detailed analysis show, that will obviously just be the "return to normal" phase to be quickly followed by fear, capitulation and despair before the oil actually runs out in 2020.

Or..mabye not..;)

22.10.2012

The North Sea's Fram field will be on stream within three years and will be one of the most significant UK developments of the past decade providing 5 percent of Britain's gas at peak production, operator Royal Dutch/Shell said on Monday....
...Energy Minister John Hayes said the news "shows that by working with industry and by creating the right fiscal environment, our oil supplies will continue to be an asset to Britain for years to come."..Fram, which is unrelated to a Norwegian North Sea field of the same name, is expected to have a field life of 20-30 years, Cayley said.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/uk-energy-britain-northsea-idUKBRE89L0BN20121022

kabayiri

IveSeenTheLight wrote: »

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Although I'll be voting yes, most probably the outcome will be a No. Most pople are too scared of change.

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Most people are scared of change and the unknown, preferring a status quo.

I think you're right here ISTL. I suspect recent events in the last half a dozen years or so only help to reinforce this fear too.

There are already power makers in the Eurozone suggesting greater integration is the solution to their ailments there. If I was a citizen of Spain or France this change would also worry me.

I wonder, has the Scottish independence vote come at a turbulent time in our history?

Jennifer_Jane

grizzly1911 wrote: »

ISTL

I have just come back from the Outer Hebrides and some of the roads up there with almost nil traffic on them are constructed to top notch motorway grade.

Several had twin track sections in the middlke of single track roads going virtually nowhere.

Yet where I live it is potholed to hell.

What has the monarchy and Scotland got to do with anything in this day and age ?

Salmond keeps mentioning it - at least when he's talking to Andrew Neill. Although I realise he's busy today with EU stuff, and whether he did or did not get legal advice about automatic EU membership.

chewmylegoff

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Or..mabye not..;)



http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/10/22/uk-energy-britain-northsea-idUKBRE89L0BN20121022

Well if you can't tell that that was a stupid joke then there is no hope for you. But in any case, you can pretty much find a link to support any opinion you want to express about north sea oil. I expect if I look hard enough I can find a link which says that north sea oil ate my hamster.

Whatever your view on how much there is left, it seems quite silly to make it a totemic issue for the independence debate as it seems quite likely that in 30 years time there will not be a major oil industry in Scotland so it would seem irrelevant for a long term decision unless the SNP's policy was to stop spending the oil revenues and use them to secure the long term future of the country in a similar way to Norway. That is very emphatically not their plan.

FTBFun

You have to hand it to the Norwegians, they don't half know how to run a country. Even with these problems:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hi_4GT35yc