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Why doesn't Cameron want Scottish Independence?

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  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    sss555s wrote: »
    The new bridge is already being built.

    Looks a bargain :beer:

    http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/transport/construction-begins-on-new-forth-bridge.

    £1,500,000,000 projected cost. It'll be interesting to see what it comes in at.

    Don't get me wrong, infrastructure can be good, indeed it can be great. Whether the Scottish economy will get £1,500,000,000 plus the deadweight cost of the tax plus interest back in extra GDP is very much open to question.
  • Generali
    Generali Posts: 36,411 Forumite
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    i suppose if you start planning a motorway from edinburgh to aberdeeen now, it should be built just about in time for when north sea oil runs out. is the business case for the motorway therefore that it will be required to transport the population of post-oil aberdeen to other areas of scotland?

    I think it'll be needed to take oil to Aberdeen in future, or more likely LPG.
  • FTBFun
    FTBFun Posts: 4,273 Forumite
    robmatic wrote: »
    Indeed.

    There's definitely money in Scotland to be spent on transport: Edinburgh council is in the process of spending the best part of a billion quid (which equals a fair amount of intercity motorway) on half of a viable tram line.

    Mind you, that's probably the fault of Westminster as well.

    Remember: Edinburgh was formerly* Tory so it's all their fault.

    *going back to 1999 they've been no higher than third. Were 2nd in 1995.
  • zagubov
    zagubov Posts: 17,939 Forumite
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    robmatic wrote: »
    Indeed.

    There's definitely money in Scotland to be spent on transport: Edinburgh council is in the process of spending the best part of a billion quid (which equals a fair amount of intercity motorway) on half of a viable tram line.

    Mind you, that's probably the fault of Westminster as well.
    No, unionist Labour politicians IIRC.:D

    The M90 was contructed between '64-'78 so mix of labour and tory governments in westminster.
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  • sss555s
    sss555s Posts: 3,175 Forumite
    Generali wrote: »
    £1,500,000,000 projected cost. It'll be interesting to see what it comes in at.

    Don't get me wrong, infrastructure can be good, indeed it can be great. Whether the Scottish economy will get £1,500,000,000 plus the deadweight cost of the tax plus interest back in extra GDP is very much open to question.

    It's obviously not just down to what the economy will benefit and in a modern high tax country, you would hope they put infrastructure before "bling"

    St Pancras station refurb was £800m.

    I'm sure the people who use it think it's worth it just as the people who user the forth road bridge.
  • sss555s
    sss555s Posts: 3,175 Forumite
    i suppose if you start planning a motorway from edinburgh to aberdeeen now, it should be built just about in time for when north sea oil runs out. is the business case for the motorway therefore that it will be required to transport the population of post-oil aberdeen to other areas of scotland?

    Care to share when that will be and why?

    If you do try and answer, I bet it's different from what I hear from guys (Aberdeen based) who work onshore, offshore and with exploration rigs worldwide within the oil industry.

    I think the problems of late have been Westminster tax and mechanical issues which made areas unsafe for a while.

    The M74 is a good road and is 3 lanes for most of the way between (M6) Carlisle and Glasgow but they do need better main roads on the East side of the UK (A1) and the M8 between Glasgow and Edinburgh should also be fully 3 lanes.
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,469 Forumite
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    By comparing this graph:




    graph4.png


    To this graph

    bubble-lifecycle.gif

    I reckon we've got about 5.5 years left. ;)
  • sss555s
    sss555s Posts: 3,175 Forumite

    I reckon we've got about 5.5 years left. ;)


    I bet your miles wrong.

    In 5.5 years we could easy be producing more than we are today.
  • chewmylegoff
    chewmylegoff Posts: 11,469 Forumite
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    sss555s wrote: »
    I bet your miles wrong.

    In 5.5 years we could easy be producing more than we are today.

    perhaps, but as my graphs and detailed analysis show, that will obviously just be the "return to normal" phase to be quickly followed by fear, capitulation and despair before the oil actually runs out in 2020.
  • sss555s
    sss555s Posts: 3,175 Forumite
    Personally I think it will be viable for another 30 years on what we know so far.

    The graph doesn't really tell us how much oil is there.

    The current (low) extraction is around $110,000,000 worth per day, every day.

    Not a bad resource for a 5m population country.

    No wonder Cameron is doing all he can to keep Scotland in.
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