Critique my economy fix.

spadoosh

Please bear with me on this one but im struggling to find many flaws with it, im sure it will be shot down straight away but i cant see many problems with it apart from implementing it.

Essentially instead of having a tax based system move towards a contribution based system.

A minimum contribution (tax) will be imposed from which everyone can expect basic human rights, then a voluntary contribution in which you can top-up a 'social fund' which entitles you to take more out of the system in terms of financial breaks, better welfare etc. So essentially you could choose were your taxes go, for example for people worried about their employment they could over contribute and upon no work they could top up their income from their overpayments.

This would do away with most benefits, anyone who can not afford/doesnt pay contributions will be housed/fed/watered by the government at a very basic level (enough to meet human needs and rights) so for them to recieve additional benefits they will have to contribute.

Jobs that are beneficial to the economy and to society will also carry 'reliefs or benefits' with them so for example a low paid care worker would have a lower contribution to pay than a celeb lets say for example. Go on a what the economy needs basis more than a wants.

The really controversial one! Would also suggest doing away with laws and having one overruling law that is protecting human rights anything that is deemed to infringe human rights would carry a punishment. Instead of having laws that protect government ideals and old fashioned ideologys.

I would hope that this would lead people to help others and contribute to a better society instead of the dog eat dog we seem to have at the moment that seems to cause soo many problems.

Im unfortunately one of those who believe we can't carry on as we have done with the wealth divide increasing, it literally is tearing society apart at the seams.

This is my response to those who say im not really a fan of capitalism but you aint got a better idea. Well here it is what i think would be a better idea.


Please tear it apart, i know its basic i am by no means a genius. And am expecting to be told as much, truth be told! Please no personal slurs its just an idea, might be stupid but i would like to contribute to a better place to live. Obviously there is a massive range of views and beliefs so lets hear them!

julieq

And we could all gather on the village green and sing Kumbaya

spadoosh

julieq wrote: »

And we could all gather on the village green and sing Kumbaya

Lol, yeah something along those lines.

Or maybe just simply not go out of our way to hinder others. And help and support each other.

There is a massive 'them and us' in this country and across the world, do we not all want the simple things in life?! Or is status and material possesions our aim as humanity?!

heathcote123

Legalise & tax drugs, shrink the state by a third or so, abolish employers NI & then corporation tax on a sliding scale depending on %age of full time employees based in the UK, stop having silly wars, cut benefits.

Pots of money, full employment & a finger in the eye for the eurocrats.

Easy job.

spadoosh

heathcote123 wrote: »

Legalise & tax drugs, shrink the state by a third or so, abolish employers NI & then corporation tax on a sliding scale depending on %age of full time employees based in the UK, stop having silly wars, cut benefits.

Pots of money, full employment & a finger in the eye for the eurocrats.

Easy job.

Kinda missed my point about helping everyone not just ourselves but nay mind.

And wars generate money, they increase employment, manufacturing etc. And the ones weve been in recently look like there trying to increase resources aswell.

Not pro war btw but with present governments i could see why they would want to.

Would be interesting to know how much recent wars have cost and how much the economy has gained subsequently. probably the first war in history to make a terrific loss not just on the frontline.

PaulF81

If you look at who holds the majority of oil contracts now in Iraq, You will find the Chinese have done the best out of the mess that was created. Sun Tzu- win all without fighting.

I believe this applies strategically as well, IE, the chinese have chosen to fight the americans on the econmic battleground, rather than the real one, where they know they have no hope of winning.

shortchanged_2

julieq wrote: »

And we could all gather on the village green and sing Kumbaya

Not a surprising answer there from someone who is more Thatcherite than the [STRIKE]great[/STRIKE] not so great Lady herself.

heathcote123

spadoosh wrote: »

Kinda missed my point about helping everyone not just ourselves but nay mind.

And wars generate money, they increase employment, manufacturing etc. And the ones weve been in recently look like there trying to increase resources aswell.

Not pro war btw but with present governments i could see why they would want to.

Would be interesting to know how much recent wars have cost and how much the economy has gained subsequently. probably the first war in history to make a terrific loss not just on the frontline.

While I appreciate war causes lots of spending of money, I'm not entirely convinced that the spoils of it outweigh the costs. It's a bit of a Brownism, assuming !!!!ing cash up the wall must result in a return. We just have to be a bit too subtle with our wars nowadays & not completely loot the place & spend years 'policing' it etc.

However, never let it be said I am a party pooper, so I'll go for war on France - not much in travel costs, should be an easy scrap & plenty to loot.

Cutting peoples tax & state dependency is the kindest thing you can do to them - it just might take a them a few years to see it.

spadoosh

heathcote123 wrote: »

While I appreciate war causes lots of spending of money, I'm not entirely convinced that the spoils of it outweigh the costs. It's a bit of a Brownism, assuming !!!!ing cash up the wall must result in a return. We just have to be a bit too subtle with our wars nowadays & not completely loot the place & spend years 'policing' it etc.

However, never let it be said I am a party pooper, so I'll go for war on France - not much in travel costs, should be an easy scrap & plenty to loot.

Cutting peoples tax & state dependency is the kindest thing you can do to them - it just might take a them a few years to see it.

U been to france recently?! They only just getting over the second world war and introducing decent public toilets. Not much to loot at all!!

With wars and money was reffering more to historic wars that always led to a boom (on the winning side) shortly after.

"Cutting peoples tax & state dependency is the kindest thing you can do to them - it just might take a them a few years to see it" sounds like a thatcherism that people are still trying to see from her era.

Think we might be on opposite sides of the table on politics, like post #2 says i wanna sing by a campfire


from wannabe hippy

Ahhh no your a liberal?! your in the middle, not too far away then?!? i got that from 'cutting peoples taxes'

ILW

Nice idea, where it all falls apart is that some people are lazy and some are workers.

suki1001

Or everyone gets basic minimum income, this does not affect anything you earn, a bit like child benefit. Wonder how many people would go back to work?