Dave's lying again...

lemonjelly

“What I would say to Gordon Brown is if you call an election on November 1 we'll stop the closure of services at this hospital on November 2. “What we've heard today from the Government is more plans for cuts and closures in our NHS. They cannot be trusted with our health service.”
David Cameron, Chase Farm Hospital, October 2007.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8756245/Government-to-merge-Chase-Farm-Hospital-which-David-Cameron-vowed-to-save.html

Just remember, we're all in this together. Oh, & you can trust dave...

TruckerT

lemonjelly wrote: »

“What I would say to Gordon Brown is if you call an election on November 1 we'll stop the closure of services at this hospital on November 2. “What we've heard today from the Government is more plans for cuts and closures in our NHS. They cannot be trusted with our health service.”
David Cameron, Chase Farm Hospital, October 2007.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8756245/Government-to-merge-Chase-Farm-Hospital-which-David-Cameron-vowed-to-save.html

Just remember, we're all in this together. Oh, & you can trust dave...

But that's the trick innit - you make a promise that there is no chance you will be called upon to fulfil - it sounds good at the time, but Gordon didn't call the election (how could he have done?) and by the 3rd November, the speech was forgotten by the politicians involved

TruckerT

Thrugelmir

No longer a question of politics more a question of lack of money. As the closure will be most likely on commercial grounds. Merger of units makes perfect sense. Except for those that expect all services to be on their doorsteps.

Commercial being a word that didn't figure highly during the years of ever increasing public sector spending. Like the mess with the banks, is coming back to haunt us all now.

LJ, the recession is only just starting to bite.

TruckerT

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Commercial being a word that didn't figure highly during the years of ever increasing public sector spending. Like the mess with the banks, is coming back to haunt us all now

The banks failed 'commercially', and like you say, we are all paying the price

TruckerT

michaels

It is a tricky one:

I can see the argument for concentrating resources in centres of excellence
However I can also see that models that conclude this is cost effective probably exclude a lot of non-NHS costs (such as travelling time and expenses for patients and relatives) and non-financial benefits (having a local hospital is more reassuring) that occur in the real world.

As Thrugelmir says though, it is a luxury that we can no longer afford

lynzpower

michaels wrote: »

It is a tricky one:

I can see the argument for concentrating resources in centres of excellence
However I can also see that models that conclude this is cost effective probably exclude a lot of non-NHS costs (such as travelling time and expenses for patients and relatives) and non-financial benefits (having a local hospital is more reassuring) that occur in the real world.

As Thrugelmir says though, it is a luxury that we can no longer afford

The problem is there are no areas of excellence really in the hospitals around this location:

Chase farm will go

Placing more pressure on the not very good Whipps Cross
or Homerton (:eek:)
Or Queens Hospital Romford
And King George Ilford. ( which is meant to be closing, which in itself is a scandal around these parts, not sure whether it wil get a reprieve.)

Very worrying in the face of other cuts to housing, welfare, school meals and so forth, we will need all the bed spaces we can get.

Alas no....

Aberdeenangarse

Of course he's lying, he's a bloody Politician, what do you expect?

Thrugelmir

lynzpower wrote: »

we will need all the bed spaces we can get.

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Round this part of the world. Changes are already afoot. The aim appears to be to utilise beds and more importantly staff resources better.

I would say that nursing staff will be given notice of redundancy by the end of the financial year along with wards closed in my local NHS trust.

dunstonh

October 2007.

Just look at what has happened since then.

olly300

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Round this part of the world. Changes are already afoot. The aim appears to be to utilise beds and more importantly staff resources better.

When they hospitals have to turn pregnant women away, and chuck them in the cafeteria if they don't leave on time because they need the bed - I think the beds are well utilised.

Loughton_Monkey

Not Dave's fault. As is obvious, everything is Nick's fault. That's what he's in the coalition for!

Hospital openings/closures are irrelevant anyway. It's all to do with 'process' and any National Health Service that spends half its money managing a 'waiting list' is dysfunctional. End of....