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Apprenticeships and the CSA :)

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Kimitatsu
Kimitatsu Posts: 3,889 Forumite
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Evening all

A question about apprenticeships please. Anyone have any experience of CSA assessments when the qualifying child embarks on an apprenticeship which is government funded, the QC works more than 25 hours and is paid a wage for it.

PWC says that CSA is still applicable during the training period but from what I can see if the QC is working more than 25 hours a week, and in receipt of a wage then liability stops. There is no day release to college on this course.

Any pointers to relevant legislation would be hugely appreciated :D
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  • cozzie
    cozzie Posts: 521 Forumite
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    BUMP - after finding this on google.

    My OH and I have had a terrible time with his fraudluent ex, the CSA and their incompetence. We now find ourselves in this situation, so, we would really appreciate any help with this too.

    TY.
    "And crawling on the planet's face,
    Some insects called the human race,
    Lost in time, and lost in space,
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  • me to please.
  • Hi,
    When my son did an apprenticeship last year we were not entitled to Child Benefit, Child tax or any money from Csa.
    He did four days at work placement, one at college. In order to recieve child benefit he would of had to attend college more than 12 hours a week (this is classed as full time).
    He was paid £100 a weeks wage.
    Hope this helps.
    me
  • Debicj
    Debicj Posts: 193 Forumite
    It appears that there are different types of apprenticeships. Some are 'approved' and still count as 'education' rather than 'employment' so child benefit and CSA would still be payable. Maybe the job centre or careers office could give further info on whether a specific apprenticeship is approved or not.

    http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/ChildBenefitandChildTrustFund/Childbenefits/KeepingyourChildBenefituptodate/ChildBenefitafter16/DG_173715
    What type of training counts for Child Benefit?

    You can get Child Benefit if your child is over 16 and is doing a course of 'approved' training. Your child needs to have started, enrolled or been accepted onto an approved course before their 19th birthday.
    Approved courses are as follows:
    • for England - Foundation Learning Programmes (previously known as 'Entry to Employment') and Programme-led Apprenticeships
    • for Wales - Skillbuild, Skillbuild+ and Foundation Modern Apprenticeships
    • for Scotland - Get Ready for Work and Skillseekers
    • for Northern Ireland - Programme Led Apprenticeships (Apprenticeships NI), Jobskills and Training for Success: Professional and Technical Training
    A course provided by an employer as part of a job contract doesn't count as approved. For example, Modern Apprenticeships in Scotland are always provided as part of a job contract, so don’t count as approved training for Child Benefit.
  • Kimitatsu
    Kimitatsu Posts: 3,889 Forumite
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    edited 17 August 2011 at 6:36AM
    Hello All

    Sorry I should have updated my own thread!

    Ok basically if they are in college for 12 hours a week or more then they are still classed as being in full time education.

    If they are working 24 hours or more a week and the position is permenant (which for an apprenticeship it will be) or is expected to last more than 4 months then the qualifying child is deemed to have left full time education and so your CSA liability stops.

    Legal bit to quote is here:

    S/he still counts as a child if s/he does paid work so long as it is either for less than 24 hours a week or is temporary and expected to end before the end of the extension period.

    A 16/17 year old entitled to income support or income based jobseekers allowance in his/her own right does not count as a child in this situation

    CB Extension - if CB is being paid then the view of the CSA is that CM must be paid although this can be challenged at this age:

    If the child is waiting for work or Jobskills, Child Benefit, can be paid for up to 13 weeks after the Child Benefit end date as long as the child has registered for work or Jobskills at the Training & Employment Agency.
    The customer must also ask the Child Benefit Office for benefit to continue for this Child Benefit Extension Period.
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  • Phone the CSA and ask.

    Phone them and ask again.

    If you get the same answer, great!. If you dont get the same answer, then write to Maria Miller MP House of Commons London SW1A 1AA.
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