Another take on 'affordability'.

Emy1501

orangeshoes wrote: »

To be blunt, I don't really care what the average young couple spend per week going out. That's up to them. I was trying to put forward a sensible budget that allowed plenty of scope for fun and having a general 'nice life'.

The general theme on here is that houses are completely unaffordable due to high prices, not unaffordable because people spend £200 a week going out.

As a 'youngster' in their twenties I don't think I ever spent £200 a week going out. That's four nights out a week spending £50?!

Or, to put it another way, £200 would get you about 66 drinks costing £3 each. Which is an average of nearly ten pints or glasses of wine every single day. You really think young people spend this much money *on average* going out? I reckon a minority will, but not on average.

How much do you think the average meal out costs? As I say if the young stop spending the money the economy will suffer.

Also do you not think the young spend money to get in to clubs, money for the cab home etc?

Also when I was young a second hand TV, a 10 year old car would do. Not now. Whether you like or not this is reality.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

Who sends ther children on holiday alone .:rotfl: (so it is not a child cost)

I have to say it.

I don't think you get it And it's really not helping conversation flow with all your unreal one liners!

Is it just me, or can the two groups of people on here argue over literally anything?

sjaypink

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Think your on to something here.

We are still trying to compare the average family against the average house etc etc.

We then compare these figures to a couple of decades ago.

But is the average family the same anymore? I don't think it is. It's dramatically changed. You only have to look at the lower marriage numbers, higher divorce figures. The number of divorces within the first year of marriage is scary.
2nd year Dev

On a personal level, the meet someone, buy a house, have babies seems to be more a fary tale than reality now.

Reality seems to be meet someone, have kids, struggle, or seperate.
In my town you can skip the 1st and last stages :cool:

I actually thought when I read cleavers post how nice it must be for 2 people to be so compatiable. Both wanting the same things, both madly in love, but no pressure for anything more. Both willing to live at a lower level than anyone else to secure their future.

I'm sure many a bull on here will have exactly that. But no one I know has, and every single one of my group of friends from school had kids before house, and before they were ready, I guess me included. Trouble is, the way house prices are, we would be ancient now before we could have kids. So it's a viscous circle.

For 2 people, so compatiable, so madly in love, but wanting nothing more from the relationship, with no kids, no debts from previous life, and both wanting the exact same thing, and both happy to do without and knuckle down for 15-20 years to achieve it, must be rather nice!

I think me & you are the .... how can I put it ..... of the 'lowest status' (?) on this board (and yes I can imagine your pain at being associated with me! ) KWIM?

Sometimes I think I must be really unfortunate to know such large amounts of poor dysfunctional people, compared to other posters who know of only 1- their neighbours cousins colleague or whatever :A

I don't know what I'm trying to say..... guess I just mean I'm not sure if the posters on this board represent the true ratios of POV, wealth, careers, priviledge, QOL etc that are actually existant across the country

lostinrates wrote: »

Its exciting to have a lightbulb moment, but tbh this is the same ''something'' that some of us have wasted YEARS discussing, hardly new! I do suppose it hasn't come up in a while, and perhaps thats since before you joined in actively on this board...but you made me giggle.

Hey!!!! :o:o ......Snatching my moment away from me!

ukcarper

can someone explain £15k on education i thought it was free

Emy1501

Really2 wrote: »

So how is £50K on university and £13K on holiday a childhood cost of an under 18.
Also £10K on baby sitting. Come off it.

Who sends ther children on holiday alone .:rotfl: (so it is not a child cost)

These are the figures provide some other figures if you say they are wrong. Over 8K in the first year. Me and my wife could go on holiday for about 1k. Add 2 kids especially once they hit 2 and you are looking at another 1K.

Emy1501

Graham_Devon wrote: »

I have to say it.

I don't think you get it And it's really not helping conversation flow with all your unreal one liners!

Is it just me, or can the two groups of people on here argue over literally anything?

Some people cannot accept when they are wrong. Try working out how much a holiday for 2 is and then how much a holiday for four is.

ukcarper

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Fair enough.

Will just give you uni fee's then.

As I said I didn't go to uni you dont have to

lostinrates

Really2 wrote: »

But then so many miss out nanny and grandad etc etc. buying clothes, baby sitting etc.

I dare say on a low wage as a percentage they are expensive. But they are a lot cheaper to keep than most make out on here TBH.

If you live further from home area (price driven commute) grandparents can babysit less. Also, if yur parents were older when they had you, and you have kids older (this hasnt hit often yet) they simply aren't able to babysit as much/easily. there is no way my mother could hande a baby now, or a difficult toddler. She'd be fine with an older child, bu anything she might have to lift would be impossible.

Really2

Emy1501 wrote: »

These are the figures provide some other figures if you say they are wrong. Over 8K in the first year. Me and my wife could go on holiday for about 1k. Add 2 kids especially once they hit 2 and you are looking at another 1K.

I mainly holiday in the UK and always have hired at least a 4 bed so no extra cost to me.

Graham_Devon

sjaypink wrote: »

I think me & you are the .... how can I put it ..... of the 'lowest status' (?) on this board (and yes I can imagine your pain at being associated with me! ) KWIM?

I'd agree. And to be honest, I'm happy to be associated!

Sometimes I think I must be really unfortunate to know such large amounts of poor dysfunctional people, compared to other posters who know of only 1- their neighbours cousins colleague or whatever :A

I don't particularly know them, but working where I do, I see them constantly every day. I live amongst them as it's all I can afford, and I think in all honesty, the explosion of mobile phones, networking sites etc etc has put a big strain on relationships over the last decade. Temptation has sky rocketed, and I don't exclude myself here.

I don't know what I'm trying to say..... guess I just mean I'm not sure if the posters on this board represent the true ratios of POV, wealth, careers, priviledge, QOL etc that are actually existant across the country

Hey!!!! :o:o ......Snatching my moment away from me!

It's a bit like the Secret Millionaire programmes. Until they see it, life is how they live.

Remember all my ramblings on DT? You think I though I would end up being the non resident parent of my kid? I hate the thought, really hate it. But i've had to swallow the pride and accept it's so extremely easy to find yourself in the situation.

Some of the analogies on here are so picture perfect, it really does make me want to punch the monitor.