'I messed up' - David Cameron

Milarky

Monday, 5 January 2009


Cameron makes savings tax pledge

'Big change'

The Tories propose to end the 20% tax paid by basic rate taxpayers on savings' interest, should they win power at the next general election.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7810932.stm

COMMENT: Yes you did, Dave., getting caught out 'saying' two different things does not look good.....

Thursday, Jan 07 2010

David Cameron: I messed up over marriage tax policy

Mr Cameron admitted that the Tories were not currently pledged to abolishing income tax on savings for people on the basic rate.

That had been a 2009 'budget submission' which the Government had not taken up, he said.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1241298/David-Cameron-I-messed-marriage-tax-policy.html#ixzz0bwJ0HiUo

cogito

Milarky wrote: »

COMMENT: Yes you did, Dave., getting caught out 'saying' two different things does not look good.....

On the other hand, it looks rather better than screwing up the whole economy and failing to acknowledge even the tiniest possibility of getting anything wrong.

chucky

cogito wrote: »

On the other hand, it looks rather better than screwing up the whole economy and failing to acknowledge even the tiniest possibility of getting anything wrong.

and people are thinking that this monkey is going to be a better solution than the other monkey Gordon Brown - the grass is greener and all that...

sabretoothtigger

Might be a good idea to scrap it as it will ultimately help fund the banks domestically instead of international as has led to recent troubles with their solvency

But the ISA scheme is quite a similar idea to enable longer term benefits so it could be said to be already in effect

Milarky

cogito wrote: »

On the other hand, it looks rather better than screwing up the whole economy and failing to acknowledge even the tiniest possibility of getting anything wrong.

D'you think so? So it was just a 2009 'budget submission' and never a policy was it? Oh, so the Conservative Party's own website made the same mistake of thinking that DC was making a specific manifesto commitment when he moved his lips..

http://www.conservatives.com/News/News_stories/2009/03/Chris_Grayling_launches_our_pensions_and_savings_campaign_in_Yorkshire.aspx

Friday, March 27 2009

Conservatives have called for special help for these "innocent victims" of Labour's recession, who are suffering as the income from their savings falls. Over the long term, cutting taxes on savings would help build a savings culture and end Britain's addiction to debt under Gordon Brown.

Under the Conservative plans:

* Basic rate taxpayers would pay no tax at all on their income from savings, making them up to £7,200 a year better off.
* The income tax allowance for pensioners would be increased, with age-related personal allowances rising by £2,000, helping them by up to £400 a year.
* The package would be paid for by reducing the growth in government spending by £5 billion. Instead of rising by £30 billion next year, the increase would be £25 billion.

These 'plans' would be 'good till Budget 2009' would they?

vivatifosi

chucky wrote: »

and people are thinking that this monkey is going to be a better solution than Gordon Brown - the grass is greener and all that...

I know what you mean chucky, but its hard to imagine that its going to be worse for anyone, unless they were a fox of course.

StevieJ

cogito wrote: »

On the other hand, it looks rather better than screwing up the whole economy and failing to acknowledge even the tiniest possibility of getting anything wrong.

We have a pledge to do that because we've found the money to do that, which was by cutting government advertising and government consultancy,' he said.

Shouldn't these savings go towards cutting UK govt debt

whathavewedone

It makes a refreshing change for a politician to admit their mistakes and given the appalling blunders that Brown has made both as Chancellor and PM (none of which he admits) I honestly can't imagine that Cameron could be any worse.

I for one am not voting for any party that might let Labour in again. Just in case the cabinet who think so much of him that it takes them hours to come out in support of him and then in the most lukewarm of terms actually gets their act together and manages to depose him prior to an election. My nan could organise a better coup than them. These idiots are supposed to be running the country.

So it's tory for me this time.

Milarky

Oh dear, even Nick Robinson (a former tory boy) 'misread' Cameron's lips....

Tories return to fray



Analysis
By Nick Robinson
BBC political editor


Four billion pounds (to be precise, £4.1bn). That is the cost of the Tory pledge to scrap the tax on savings for basic rate taxpayers and to increase tax-free allowances for pensioners.

Mr Cameron said savers are the 'innocent victims' of the economic downturn

So how will they pay for it? The answer is by spending less starting now.
David Cameron had already reversed his policy of matching Labour's planned spending increases for 2010 onwards.
Now he is saying he would spend even less this year too.
He has not, however, specified what programmes he would spend less on. That is not how government works. He has a point.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7812454.stm

(duff 'analysis' it would seem)

..or alternatively, they all understood DC quite correctly 12 months ago and did not 'mishear' anything and he has simply changed his position.... but rather than admit he has changed position he is now trying to mis-represent what he said.

In Yorkshire they would probably call that a 'lie' or something similar

StevieJ

vivatifosi wrote: »

I know what you mean chucky, but its hard to imagine that its going to be worse for anyone, unless they were a fox of course.

I don't think the fox is any better off, I think they would have preferred to take on the 'unspeakable' on horseback than the farmers with gas canisters :eek:

whathavewedone

What's your point Milarky? People are either going to agree with the tories' draft manifesto or they won't. Labour have screwed the economy so comprehensively that it's difficult for the tories to make any promises at all. They won't know how bad the position really is until they come to power.

If they like their ideas then your posts are just giving the tories extra publicity. If, like you, they prefer to trust Labour with their 178 billion black hole and refusal to publish any spending plans, then you're preaching to the converted aren't you?

I think people would be far more likely to be converted to Labour if people like you could put forward a positive reason for voting them - you know, convince us how they will cut the deficit before the IMF come in and do it for them, that sort of thing.

Tell us how well they're running the country when, instead of focusing on their own ideas to get us out of this mess, the Treasury is wasting time on drawing up a dossier full of assumptions and mistruths to try to waste the opposition and meanwhile six members of the cabinet are busy trying to mount a coup to oust their leader but in the end none of them have the guts to jump.

Labour are a complete shambles. They've given up all pretence of trying to run the country and it's disgusting that we have to limp on like this until May or June.

None of them have any balls at all. I'd have had some respect for GB if he'd just call the wretched election.