Suspended from work! Don't know why

gerryscot

rexx wrote: »

There was something else said when my dad and the Operations manager were on their own in the office because the other person taking the notes had left to photo copy them.

I would like to post it to see what views people have (I promoise I won't get upset if somebody says something I don't like) but I am not sure what I can say without harming his case should it go to tribunal. Any advice?

Hi Rexx,
How’s your dad coping? Don’t take the insults within the posts personally, I know its hard especially when your father is going through this nightmare. You’ll find the majority of people are very helpful and give good advice.

I assume your saying that this conversation wasn’t included within the notes then? Was it a personal statement or something significant as to the reasons for your dads suspension?
　
Best Regards
Gerry x x

gerryscot

viktory wrote: »

Did it really? How strange!

Your entitled to your opinion that you consider my post strange, however I also just as entitled to my opinion and I felt genuine empathy for the OP when I read the post. I wouldn’t be bad-mannered to insult your views so please reciprocate the respect and don’t insult mine.

Thankyou
Regards Gerry

gerryscot

woody01 wrote: »

There are serious flaws in this tale.
The main one being, you dad has been an employee there for 4 years right? He is 64 yrs old, so less than a year from retirement.

SO.....why decide to join a union when he has less than 1 year of service left?
Couple this with the fact that he joined the union only 1 week before these allegations have arisen (must be allegations of misconduct or he wouldnt have been suspended).
Allegations in places like this are VERY serious.

I may be cynical, but it looks to me from what you have said, that your dad has realised he has fouled up a few weeks back, and joined the union to cover his !!!! as he knew this disciplinary was coming.

Astonishing.
You managed to deduce all that with hearing few facts and only one side of the story.
Did it actually occur to you that the care home may have acted correctly? "NO"
Did it actually occur to you, particularly with the stoiry already given, the the Op's dad may have actually done something rather than being 'bullied'. "NO"

Thanks for your questions Woody01,

Your entitled to your opinion and to be pessimistic. I am also just as entitled to my opinion to give the benefit of the doubt and after reading the post I felt genuine empathy for the OP.

I wouldn’t be bad-mannered and insult your views so please reciprocate the respect to other posters opinion's.

Thankyou
Regards Gerry

Zazen999

rexx wrote: »

There was something else said when my dad and the Operations manager were on their own in the office because the other person taking the notes had left to photo copy them.

I would like to post it to see what views people have (I promoise I won't get upset if somebody says something I don't like) but I am not sure what I can say without harming his case should it go to tribunal. Any advice?

It is difficult to say - you could say it, and ask people not to quote it; and then delete it once people have commented. Perhaps the gist rather than the actual words.....or call up ACAS and ask them what they think of it all.

Zazen999

Nice!

So, it looks like they are making people's lives a misery in order to cut down staff numbers or make a complaint go away.

Do you know if anyone else is implicated?

Also, there is a thread on here entitled something like 'got an interview under caution with the police today' - have a read of it.....it's about someone who works in the care profession and is having some problems that appear to be unsubstantiated but that still doesn't seem to help.

rexx

No - nobody else is implicated, however this has come on the back of an external investigation that took place due to a collegue who left the company once the business decided that she could no longer work the hours she had been working for a period of time. She came in, with the permission of the previous manager, an hour later in order to take her son to school.

When another manager took over, they told her she could no longer do these hours which meant she couldn't work there because nobody else could take her son to school.

As a result she spke to sombody about an incident that was witnessed by herself and my dad, ( a serious one that was not handled well by the person it was reported to, who now happens to be my dads new manager ) which resulted in the external investigation as to which my dad was a witness for - then following this investigation - this happened.

So - we have two people who witnessed something, one has already gone and the other is on their way out!!

Please let me know if this is not clear

aj2703

gerryscot wrote: »

Reading you post brought tears to my eyes, what a shame for you poor dad he must be devastated.

Are you gay..? Tears to your eyes..?:rolleyes:

zzzLazyDaisy

I am sorry to hear about your father's problems. Unfortunately all he can do at the moment is to wait it out. Once they have conducted their investigation he will get a letter requiring his attendance at a disciplinary interview, the letter should give him enough information to enable him to prepare his case, and should also advise him of his right to be accompanied by a work colleague or trade union rep.

At that stage he should take further advice from ACAS and/or his trade union. He should also make sure that he does have someone with him at the hearing if at all possible, and that person should take notes.

It is not uncommon for managers to suggest that the employee resign rather than be sacked, but proving it is another matter. My advice to a client in this position has always been 'let them do their own dirty work'. You have already metioned the possibility of a tribunal claim - if he is dismissed he may win a claim to a tribunal depending on the circumstances - if he resigns it is extremely unlikely that he will succeed (not impossible but very unlikely, as constructive dismissal cases are notoriously hard to prove).

poorandindenial

Hi there

Your dad was given the notes of the meeting and it sounds like he may not agree that they are a completely true and accurate reflection of the discussion. He should make sure that he raised any clarifications or corrections to the notes as soon as possible since otherwise they may be taken as an accurate record of what happened.

Does he work for one of the big care home chains or a small company? If they have a separate HR department it would be worth him speaking to them sooner rather than later to check up on the process and asking for a copy of the disciplinary procedures.

Did he and the other witness to the 'incident' report it on an incident form? If he did then it makes the victimisation thing a bit more likely (but not a given), if he didn't then if the incident was serious then the fact of not reporting the incident itself could be a cause for disciplinary action.

These are just some slightly random things that popped into my head while I was reading, good luck to you and your dad getting to the bottom of what is going on.

bendix

I can never understand these types of posts. They are always posted by sons / daughters / spouses / parents of the affected party, so by definition we will only ever hear one side of the story.

One thing I've learned is that there is never any smoke without fire, so I'd want to hear the full story before passing comment.

Also, in the instances when employers follow procedure - as they appear to be doing now - they are usually completely confident they have a case.