Enough is enough! Chuck 'em out

vivatifosi

penguine wrote: »

Me too, but it's also an interesting topic for discussion.

It's definitely that. Your post on data entry reminded me that I had heard recently that it is now possible to cheaply install keystroke trackers on computers for home office use that identify what you are doing and whether it is work related. The same technology could be used in the workplace.

The issue with homeworking has always been one of trust. Companies (or sometimes the managers in those companies) like their staff being within their line of sight so that they can check on what they are doing. The opportunity to fully monitor homeworking may change all that. It may also lead to a certain degree of isolation for those offered homeworking as an option and used to informal workplace banter. It would be interesting to see what this thread would look like in ten years time if such systems take off, because we won't have visibility of how we compare to our co-workers. On the other hand it may be like the paperless office - it'll never happen!

julieq

mizzbiz wrote: »

Most jobs require you to get the work done at the highest possible standard within deadlines. There's no exact science that says this must take exactly 40 hours per week, non stop!

What you are saying is just ignorant. If people aren't getting their work done, there will be performance management issues in any decent company, with the outcome, if they are that lazy, being dismissal. To equate the occasional bit of slacking with an end to our way of life is a little extreme, is it not?

But then, what can we expect from an angry Buy-to-letter. Bitterness and misery are thy name it seems. Don't worry, don't let it get under your skin, there's millions of idiots in the same position.

I can't believe anyone is taking my post - which was a side swipe at the dumb racism bordering on the neo-fascist which is common currency on here - seriously, but then again it may be an indication that people need to lighten up a bit.

I have no BTL investments by the way. As I said though the other day if I had the cash I'd do it, it's a brilliant opportunity just at the moment.

penguine

vivatifosi wrote: »

ICompanies (or sometimes the managers in those companies) like their staff being within their line of sight so that they can check on what they are doing.

A lot of it comes down to good management, I think -- the fact that my manager trusts me to get on with my work without being over supervised means I don't want to let her down. Businesses who treat their employees like children just end up with a resentful workforce who feel more inclined to undermine them, just in order to assert their independence.

epz_2

vivatifosi wrote: »

It's definitely that. Your post on data entry reminded me that I had heard recently that it is now possible to cheaply install keystroke trackers on computers for home office use that identify what you are doing and whether it is work related. The same technology could be used in the workplace.

The issue with homeworking has always been one of trust. Companies (or sometimes the managers in those companies) like their staff being within their line of sight so that they can check on what they are doing. The opportunity to fully monitor homeworking may change all that. It may also lead to a certain degree of isolation for those offered homeworking as an option and used to informal workplace banter. It would be interesting to see what this thread would look like in ten years time if such systems take off, because we won't have visibility of how we compare to our co-workers. On the other hand it may be like the paperless office - it'll never happen!

I am allowed to home work pretty much at my descression, i rarely do even though i uses to commute hours for two simple reasons.

1) i my job its much easier to tap a developer on the sholder and ask them what they were thinking than send umpteen emails and you learn more that way.
2) line of sight for management is important, you are less likely to get promoted and more likely to get sacked if you are just a name on a screen vs somone your boss knows.

also we free tea and fruit, sometimes also pizza and cakes.

mizzbiz

julieq wrote: »

I can't believe anyone is taking my post - which was a side swipe at the dumb racism bordering on the neo-fascist which is common currency on here - seriously, but then again it may be an indication that people need to lighten up a bit.

I have no BTL investments by the way. As I said though the other day if I had the cash I'd do it, it's a brilliant opportunity just at the moment.

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For clarity, so was mine. I have no idea if Julieq is a buy-to-letter or not, just having some fun. Although my first two sentences apply if the OP was in fact serious.



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Julie, I was joking, as I explained later. I also agree with about BTL however, I would expect the rental value to cover the mortgage as well as fit in with the average rent around my area (around £500pm) so property has to fall substantially to make it a viable opportunity for me.

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A well known and huge mobile phone call centre in the UK had staff who would sit there and continually press the space bar when they were not making or taking calls.

dervish

lynzpower wrote: »

Since when has Dervish been "esteemed"

I thought most people thought that Dervish was a mental racist who is barely given the time of day

I see no need for abusive posts like this about other MSErs...

julieq

dervish wrote: »

I see no need for abusive posts like this about other MSErs...

Indeed, and it'd be nice not to have posts generalising and denigrating a section of the working population en masse, but hey, life is a broad church and all sorts of nutters get to post stuff on the internet. Learn to live with it, and if you can't take it, don't dish it out.

staffie1

julieq wrote: »

I talk, of course, of the office idle. It is a modern plague, in every office, big and small across the fair land of Albion, are hordes of the lazy, people who seem to feel they can justify their pay cheque by gossiping around the coffee machine or reading facebook pages. Worse still, there are many highly paid individuals who spend hours of each day posting ill informed nonsense as fact onto "Internet Forums" instead of creating quotes for ball bearing deliveries in Stoke or whatever it is they are supposed to be doing.

This made me laugh. Do you work in an office yourself, or are you someone who has a manual job in a factory or whatever - one of these people who seem to resent anyone who has a non-manual job and considers anyone who works in an office or wears a suit to work as someone who has a cushy job earning shedloads of money and with nothing to do?

Oh the poor old down-trodden manual worker. What a shame it is for them! Well let me tell you something: I work for manufacturing company and I have an office job, and I can tell you that I am sick to the back teeth of seeing these poor old factory workers hanging around all day gossiping - usually huddled around the coffee machine - anywhere except at their workstation. You want to see them at hometime racing to get out of the gates. You want to see them deliberately slowing down production so they can get some overtime in. And what's more, they earn FAR more than me and have none of the responsibility and that's a fact.

So as someone else has said: Stuff you and deal with your bitterness.

julieq

My my, I do seem to be touching a lot of nerves here, don't I?

I'm not bitter, it was IRONY. And the irony is that while it's easy to complain that Johnny Foreigner is coming over and taking jobs at the expense of the British worker, anyone who has worked in an office, on a production line or anywhere else for that matter knows that slacking and shirking is endemic. That does far more damage to the economy than a relatively small influx of the industrious from overseas, but as we're finding here it's a lot easier to make swathing and stereotyped attacks on small groups of foreign nationals than it is to make mild criticisms of the indigenous.