Benefit claimants 'must do more'

novazombie

What are these proposals going to mean in practice?

I have heard so many times in the past similar things, but it doesnt make any difference.

When they say `No this time its different` they were saying the same thing 10 yrs ago.

DCFC79

Maybe they're going to get tougher, more stringent

Neillgb

novazombie wrote: »

What are these proposals going to mean in practice?

I have heard so many times in the past similar things, but it doesnt make any difference.

When they say `No this time its different` they were saying the same thing 10 yrs ago.

You might be right with regard to nothing meaningful happening. Same old political stuff , all hot air etc.

However, things are a different now,with the economic problems, so I am going to say that things are going to take a change for the worse for benefits claimants.

kpnut79

In my opinion it's only going to get worse for the idle sods that don't want work but want free money or the druggies/alkies etc who will be pushed to even more crime to feed their habits!

However I must admit being a single mother of 2, my youngest having just turned 4, working a 30hr week is hard, however you get your rewards in different ways!

I do believe that if you are fit to work and the job is there then what possible reason is there for you not to contribute to society. Obviously there are factors such as single parents, whether male or female again in my opinion until the child is at an age to enter full time education these parents shouldn't be forced to work but offered some form of training, whether that be home training via the jobcentre rather than the OU as again this incurs ridiculous costs, sitting in house exams etc.. believe me I have done it!

But this also prevents ridiculous childcare costs, fighting for childcare places and less stress on the parent. I also believe that companies and businesses should employ more parents in school hours again cutting down on childcare costs but also filling up the evening work in supermarkets with students, people who have partners and who can alternate childcare between them!

I mean before me and my partner split up, and my youngest was 3 months old, he would work all day in a garage to come home at 5pm for me to leave at 5.15pm and go and work in a local chipshop till 10pm 5 nights a week but this gave us that bit of extra income and didn't cost us on childcare.

I live in a cul de sac and it winds me up cos here I am providing for my family, my youngest isn't in full time education and yet there are several of my neighbours who's youngest children are almost in secondary school and they say 'why should I go to work, when I get paid for sitting on my !!!!' yeah that is okay once in a while but everyday I would go mad!!
Another neighbour just keeps getting pregnant everytime her youngest starts school - joke or what!!

So I say YES kick the idle !!!!! off the settee and make them earn a living!!

hermoine_2

I find it hard to believe that the government is going to successfully make the professional claimer take a job when there are so few jobs about. I have been looking for work since August and have now got a job but no start date in sight yet due to CRB etc.

I have a "friend" with a 9 year old child who does not work and lives entirely off the state. They are married, they have a motorbility car, he does not seem to have any major disability to me, but claims he has arthritis. They live rent free, the pay no council tax, they have sky television, they have broadband, they smoke, they have holidays, they spend about £70 pw in the supermarket and she has saved £200 for Christmas shopping. Why should they work, what extra could they possibly want.

My husbands ex, has an 8 year old child, she has a car, pays no rent, no council tax, has holidays, has Sky tv, she smokes, she drinks very heavily. She can see no reason why she should work. What extra could she want.

Lazy, lazy, lazy people - but I see no way of making them take jobs when there are not enough jobs anyway.

H:mad:

Oldernotwiser

hermoine wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that the government is going to successfully make the professional claimer take a job when there are so few jobs about. I have been looking for work since August and have now got a job but no start date in sight yet due to CRB etc.

I have a "friend" with a 9 year old child who does not work and lives entirely off the state. They are married, they have a motorbility car, he does not seem to have any major disability to me, but claims he has arthritis. They live rent free, the pay no council tax, they have sky television, they have broadband, they smoke, they have holidays, they spend about £70 pw in the supermarket and she has saved £200 for Christmas shopping. Why should they work, what extra could they possibly want.

My husbands ex, has an 8 year old child, she has a car, pays no rent, no council tax, has holidays, has Sky tv, she smokes, she drinks very heavily. She can see no reason why she should work. What extra could she want.

Lazy, lazy, lazy people - but I see no way of making them take jobs when there are not enough jobs anyway.

H:mad:

You can make people work for their benefits even if there are no specific jobs for them to take.

Little_Git

hermoine wrote: »

I find it hard to believe that the government is going to successfully make the professional claimer take a job when there are so few jobs about. I have been looking for work since August and have now got a job but no start date in sight yet due to CRB etc.

I have a "friend" with a 9 year old child who does not work and lives entirely off the state. They are married, they have a motorbility car, he does not seem to have any major disability to me, but claims he has arthritis. They live rent free, the pay no council tax, they have sky television, they have broadband, they smoke, they have holidays, they spend about £70 pw in the supermarket and she has saved £200 for Christmas shopping. Why should they work, what extra could they possibly want.

My husbands ex, has an 8 year old child, she has a car, pays no rent, no council tax, has holidays, has Sky tv, she smokes, she drinks very heavily. She can see no reason why she should work. What extra could she want.

Lazy, lazy, lazy people - but I see no way of making them take jobs when there are not enough jobs anyway.

H:mad:

I hope your friend does not look for work. So called dole scroungers are providing a vital service by not looking for work: those who want to work don't have to compete at job interviews with extra job seekers. I am sick of going for a job interview and finding out that the employer is interviewing 20 other people for the job.

Little_Git

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

You can make people work for their benefits even if there are no specific jobs for them to take.

Why should anyone have to work for their benefits. If people have to work for their benefits, then why not work for your NHS health care once you have recovered and come out of hospital?

It's always the poor who are attacked never the rich. Why should the poor be subjected to slave labour? If there is work to be done then pay a proper wage, at the very least the minimum wage rate.

poker_face

Little_Git wrote: »

I hope your friend does not look for work. So called dole scroungers are providing a vital service by not looking for work: those who want to work don't have to compete at job interviews with extra job seekers. I am sick of going for a job interview and finding out that the employer is interviewing 20 other people for the job.

they are not providing anything and that is the point.

And the rich are very much attacked, do you know how much tax they have to pay compare to the poor. not a bad thing in my opinion, its hardly slave labour. The idea is to stop people who arent deserving benefits, not hinder those who do.

uolypool

I'm just sick of ppl moaning about single parents sponging I didn;t choose to be a single mum i was with my partner for 14 years before we seperated .

bestpud

uolypool wrote: »

I'm just sick of ppl moaning about single parents sponging I didn;t choose to be a single mum i was with my partner for 14 years before we seperated .

If the children are old enough, then I think it is right single parents should work tbh.

We have a very generous welfare system in this country but it cannot continue supporting the number of able bodied people it does now.

I don't agree, personally, that the age should be dropped below 10, or 7 at an absolute push, but I do think single parents of teenage children do not need to be fully kept by the state.