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Forgot to renew car tax - 1,000 fine? aarrgghhh..
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Old 01-07-2005, 7:32 PM
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Default Forgot to renew car tax - 1,000 fine? aarrgghhh..

My husband has a couple of "hobby" classic cars, that are garaged all year and just taken to shows a couple of times a year.

He has just realised that the tax on one of them expired at the end of May, and he forgot to renew it. Lots been going on - illness in the family etc. - although I know that is no excuse.

We are now panicking as the renewal notice states that a fine of "minimum 1,000" may be imposed. This seems ridiculously high for a genuine oversight, and he hasn't even driven the car in the meantime.

Does anyone have any experience of this, i.e. whether they do impost the fine, and if 1,000 is the minimum how high are they likely to take it? Any suggestions as to how to avoid a severe penalty? He is going to the Post Office tomorrow with all his documents (the MOT and Insurance are up to date) to throw himself on their mercy.

1,000 is a month's take home pay for him - we could pay it out of savings if we really have to, but it seems ridiculous when you think how lightly real criminals get off. The car itself is only worth a few hundred . :rolleyes:
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Old 01-07-2005, 9:46 PM
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Unlikely that they would bring the full weight of the legislation down on you.

BTW If you don't want to tax them (just keep them in garage) you can fill in a SORN form to do this. AIYAKT.
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Old 01-07-2005, 9:50 PM
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You say its a classic car, some classic cars I cant remember the exemption of hand and exempted for road fund tax, I assume you already looked into this.

Sounds like you made a genuine oversight, these things unfortunate happen. Not suer what advice to give but I suppose the longer you leave it the worse they could look on you. Maybe ring DVLC not given you name and vehicle and ask them what you should do.
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Old 01-07-2005, 9:55 PM
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My friend was caught driving with no tax. (It was a genuine oversight, her mum had just died). She got a 40 fine from the police and an 80 fine from the DVLA.
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Old 01-07-2005, 9:57 PM
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The registered keeper of an unlicensed vehicle could be fined a minimum of 1000.In addition to this, you will either be required to purchase a licence or declare SORN, pay arrears of duty accrued whilst the vehicle was unlicensed and pay a penalty of 80.
http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/unlicensed.htm

The fact that you are only two weeks overdue with your licensing (they allow you 14 days grace), you may be able to just pay the arrears as quoted above and possibly a small penalty...... I certainly wouldn't be worrying about the 1000 fine..................... yet !




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Old 01-07-2005, 10:16 PM
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Thanks so much all of you. Might get a bit of sleep now, as perhaps it won't be as bad as we feared.

He can't have it registered as SORN as he does take it to a couple of car shows each year. Once upon a time there was a free licence disc for cars over 25-years old, and we benefited from this for a couple of years, then it was stopped . We presumed it was because people were running dangerous rust buckets on the road, or it might just have proved too costly for the moneygrabbers (sorry, DVLA) to sustain.:confused:

Fingers crossed for tomorrow then. Hope the bods at the Post Office are feeling benevolent. They'll probably tell him to jump through hoops and write or phone here there and everywhere as they can't do anything themselves in view of the situation, but we'll see.

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Old 01-07-2005, 10:24 PM
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What annoys me most about this is that you as an honest would-be car taxer gets penalised for having no tax.

What about the thousands riding around with no tax /ins/ etc that don't get caught.

Once your car is registered with DVLA you are continuously checked on. Those who have never had tax and unknown to DVLA get away with it.
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I agree maisie. Last year to save a little bit of money before taking a new insurance policy out, I went to renewal my road tax they wouldn't allow me to have a new tax as they said by the time the tax is applicable I wouldn't have valid insurance. The fact remained I wouldn't have driven the car for a few days it would be off road and until a new policy was taken out, which it duly did a few days after the road tax run out.

This policy does nothing of stopping those people who are hell bent on breaking the law with no road tax and no insurance.

For what little mileage I do I can be sure I most likely never get caught, unless I park in a street (which I hardly do) or have an accident which touch wood (me touches me head) I never had.

Another gripe I have is that the low mileage user gets penalised for paying over the odds for road tax.
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Yes it's an unfair world with the honest as usual paying for the law breakers.
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http://www.dvla.gov.uk/vehicles/unlicensed.htm

The fact that you are only two weeks overdue with your licensing (they allow you 14 days grace), you may be able to just pay the arrears as quoted above and possibly a small penalty...... I certainly wouldn't be worrying about the 1000 fine..................... yet !



sorry you don't get a 14 day grace period, this used to apply when tax discs were issued through the post by the DVLA to allow for delivery times but no longer applys. you can be be fined if your disc is one day out of date.
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Old 02-07-2005, 12:17 AM
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the DVLA will send you a bill stating when your tax ran out and how much you owe to date.
This happened to me a few months back, i'd sent my tax disk back as my car had been written off and also sent a SORN in (well i think i did). I received a letter from the DVLA telling me how long my tax had been expired for and a few options, such as pay the money i owed from running out to present and re-tax. Not pay and risk a 1000 fine or something else that i can't remember.
Might even be able to get it taxed and back dated form the beginning of June before they send you a letter
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Firstly, today I stopped a Police Officer and pointed out a motorcycle with no tax since 2000, he said he couldn't do anything as it was now a Tax problem and no longer a criminal offence.

Secondly, the DVLA are currently claiming they did not receive my documents that I sent them to say my car had been scrapped, they have sent a fine for 80 but state it is not applicable if I write and state I the vehicle is off the road.

There appears to be a lot of ways around this change in Road Fund License, and there is no way of tracking the people who are avoiding paying, the bike is a prime example, I said to the officer, it will go to the Registered Keeper, who I doubt will be running the bike on the road.

So be safe, just buy your new tax, I believe exemptions still apply. If the DVLA send you a fine write to them, also be honest with the new tax application, make sure you back date it, then there should be nothing they can hit you with.

Hope this helps
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sorry you don't get a 14 day grace period, this used to apply when tax discs were issued through the post by the DVLA to allow for delivery times but no longer applys. you can be be fined if your disc is one day out of date.

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The law allows 14 days from the date the licence was due in which to relicense
. Heather 38 this is a direct qoute from the dvla website which i linked to above , sorry
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I really don't think anybody would be prosecuted for having an unlicenced vehicle in their garage.

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Firstly, today I stopped a Police Officer and pointed out a motorcycle with no tax since 2000, he said he couldn't do anything as it was now a Tax problem and no longer a criminal offence.


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Where exactly was the bike? It is an offence to have an unlicensed vehicle on the public highway and he could have issued a fixed penalty notice if that was the case.
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From my experience (from some time ago), so long as you don't actively try to avoid paying, they won't shaft you.

Wouldn't this be so much easier if we were only taxed through fuel.

1) It would be impossible to forget to pay.
2) It would be difficult for people to get around the tax.
3) The more miles you do, the more you pay.
4) Those nasty gas gusslers get hit where it hurts.
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Wow, thanks everyone for all the input. If anyone would like their Thanks box ticked, let me know - otherwise it would be a bit silly just to do everyone's!

Update - he went to the Post Office today and got a new disc backdated to be valid from 1st June. The counter clerk said she doubted he'd get a fine, but he "might get one through the post" :confused: so we'll have to keep those fingers crossed for a few more weeks I guess.

I am now going to find out when everything connected to the cars is due, and put it in my Microsoft Works calendar which is a marvellous gadget if only I can be bothered to use it!
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It is an offence to have an unlicensed vehicle on the public highway and he could have issued a fixed penalty notice if that was the case.
The correct wording is "It is an offence to use a motor vehicle on a Public Road without a current Vehicle Excise Licence," and, it wouldn't be a Fixed Penalty Notice, but a CLE 2/6

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Well hopefully the OP is now OK, but the new rules do refer to the possibility of a minimum fine of 1000. This is said to be for "determined offenders".

So, if you get anything from them it will usually be an 80 fine, reduced to 40 if paid within 28 days. The 1000 only comes in if you don't pay and get taken to court.

However, it appears that magistrates are not happy at having to apply a blanket minimum fine of 1000 and I am not yet aware of this having happened.

Article on new vehicle tax rules
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sorry you don't get a 14 day grace period, this used to apply when tax discs were issued through the post by the DVLA to allow for delivery times but no longer applys. you can be be fined if your disc is one day out of date.
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The law allows 14 days from the date the licence was due in which to relicense

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. Heather 38 this is a direct qoute from the dvla website which i linked to above , sorry
To clear this up, the "grace period" does not give you permission to drive around untaxed for 14 days, if you are using your car on the road with no tax, you are still breaking the law.
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