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    • patman99
    • By patman99 30th Nov 17, 8:54 PM
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    Is this ethical?.
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    • 30th Nov 17, 8:54 PM
    Is this ethical?. 30th Nov 17 at 8:54 PM
    A co-worker has been told their services are no longer required.

    The company owner then gathered the rest of the department together and informed them that the person had been let go and went into detail as to why.

    Is this ethical?.
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    • 74jax
    • By 74jax 30th Nov 17, 9:10 PM
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    How else would you know? Wouldn't you wonder where they were?
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    • hyubh
    • By hyubh 30th Nov 17, 9:13 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 9:13 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 9:13 PM
    A co-worker has been told their services are no longer required.

    The company owner then gathered the rest of the department together and informed them that the person had been let go and went into detail as to why.

    Is this ethical?.
    Originally posted by patman99
    Crikey, that's a brave question to ask on this board! What sort of replies might one foresee...?

    - Not in a recognised union? Deserved all they got.
    - What's legal is what matters.
    - None of your business.
    - I'm affronted by your thought that it is your business.

    Edit: ah, with apologies to 74jax! 'How else would you know? Wouldn't you wonder where they were?' is clearly canonical too.
    Last edited by hyubh; 30-11-2017 at 9:16 PM.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 30th Nov 17, 9:19 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 9:19 PM
    Ethical means relating to beliefs about right and wrong. So, since different people believe different things, the answer is "yes", "no" or "maybe".
    • patman99
    • By patman99 30th Nov 17, 9:24 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 9:24 PM
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    People come and go all the time in the workplace. It's a factory.

    The point is, was any Law Brocken when the owner gathered the rest of the team together and told them the exact reasons as to why the person had been fired.

    There is surely a breach of confidentiality after all. There have been several dismissals recently and this is the only one this has happened with.
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    • steampowered
    • By steampowered 30th Nov 17, 9:29 PM
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    I would see it as unprofessional.

    I'm not sure it would be unethical though. So long as the reasons given were true and factual.
    • TELLIT01
    • By TELLIT01 30th Nov 17, 10:15 PM
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    At once place I worked a senior manager disappeared from the company overnight. Everybody wondered what the hell had happened so the MD explained that there had been a difference of opinion regarding the quality of the job the departed manager had been doing. It was left to staff to interpret that as they might.
    Should there have been any conversation on the subject? Probably not but, by giving a vague explanation, it ceased to be a topic of much interest.
    In response to the OP, I don't think a detailed explanation should have been given unless it was directly relevant to the way other people are working. If the explanation was intended as a subtle warning to other it may be justified.
    • sangie595
    • By sangie595 30th Nov 17, 10:18 PM
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    • 30th Nov 17, 10:18 PM
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    People come and go all the time in the workplace. It's a factory.

    The point is, was any Law Brocken when the owner gathered the rest of the team together and told them the exact reasons as to why the person had been fired. No.

    There is surely a breach of confidentiality after all. There have been several dismissals recently and this is the only one this has happened with.Which law?
    Originally posted by patman99
    You asked about ethics. Ethics have very little to do with law.
    • k3lvc
    • By k3lvc 30th Nov 17, 10:30 PM
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    There is surely a breach of confidentiality after all. There have been several dismissals recently and this is the only one this has happened with.
    Originally posted by patman99
    So what had the person done ? Was the message given a warning to others re the consequences of said action ?

    Irrespective as long as it was factually correct then it's not illegal and, as for ethical, that's always subjective
    • xapprenticex
    • By xapprenticex 30th Nov 17, 10:32 PM
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    i see no problem.
    • Energize
    • By Energize 1st Dec 17, 12:07 AM
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    Employers should definitely inform staff when an employee has left the business, otherwise you end up emailing people who no longer work there!

    As to explaining why they left, it totally depends on the situation, if all the staff are talking about it, it could be reasonable to explain to stop rumors and speculation flying around.
    • theoretica
    • By theoretica 1st Dec 17, 12:19 AM
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    Was the business sharing business information? Eg didn't meet targets, poor attendance. Or was it personal information about the worker, eg illness or work affected by family situation?
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    • Comms69
    • By Comms69 1st Dec 17, 9:42 AM
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    What was the reason? That will help tell you if a law was, possibly, broken
    • stator
    • By stator 1st Dec 17, 11:02 AM
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    You'll have to say what the reason was for anyone to tell whether a law was broken. It's unlikely that one was.
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    • TBagpuss
    • By TBagpuss 1st Dec 17, 11:04 AM
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    As others have said, knowing what the reason makes a lot of difference. *normally& it isn't appropriate (although probably not illegal) to share the information, but it may be appropriate if (for instance) it relates to misconduct where other members of staff were also under suspicion, where the employer might want to make public that the culprit has been found. Or if they were dismissed because of behaviour to other staff that might be relevant.

    In terms of ethics, I think it depends on what the information was which was shared. If it related to someone's personal circumstances (e.g. they were fired for capacity reasons related to their health or family problems) then I would see it as inappropriate.

    If however they were fired for misconduct, I don't know that the employer has any ethical obligation to keep that quiet, although it is unusual to go public about these things.

    Maybe the employers are worried other people may behave in simialar ways and want to make them aware of the consequences of they do? Or maybe there is just a really bad manager!
    • 74jax
    • By 74jax 1st Dec 17, 12:53 PM
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    Crikey, that's a brave question to ask on this board! What sort of replies might one foresee...?

    - Not in a recognised union? Deserved all they got.
    - What's legal is what matters.
    - None of your business.
    - I'm affronted by your thought that it is your business.

    Edit: ah, with apologies to 74jax! 'How else would you know? Wouldn't you wonder where they were?' is clearly canonical too.
    Originally posted by hyubh
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    • Fireflyaway
    • By Fireflyaway 1st Dec 17, 7:19 PM
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    Its hard to say unless you share the reason and what was said. A long time ago a colleague of mine was caught viewing ' adult' material at work. Still can't believe how dumb that was! Anyway it was made quite public, I think as a warning to others.
    Its sometimes better to hear it from the horses mouth than people start chatting, making up rumours and such.
    I suppose the only time it would be unethical is if the person were falsely accused of something or it were something personal they didn't want sharing.
    • patman99
    • By patman99 2nd Dec 17, 8:04 PM
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    It was down to the amount of parts that had been produced wrongly within the area.

    There are two machine operators operating two machines. Both make the odd error, but all the mistakes were pinned on the one operator.
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    • stator
    • By stator 3rd Dec 17, 5:44 PM
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    I don't think they've done anything wrong in telling people about it.
    Details about work that was completed or faulty is not private data.
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