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    'Wonder' hair shampoo? Phylia de M
    • #1
    • 23rd May 12, 3:53 PM
    'Wonder' hair shampoo? Phylia de M 23rd May 12 at 3:53 PM
    Good afternoon,

    I've been looking for ways to improve my fine hair as "I can't do a thing with it"!

    I have came across the 'Phylia de M' hair product range on the Beauty Bible website and they seem to rave about it, along with "half of Hollywood" apparently. I wondered if anyone had tried it (or even heard of it)?

    It's certainly not the cheapest range (and not very MSE, I know) - shampoo is £28, conditioner £30 and the hair strengthening spray called 'Connect' is £45. I think the products are only available from Victoria Health.

    The article on Beauty Bible is
    beautybibleloves dot com/hair/phylia-de-m-3-step-kit/

    Incidentally, the Beauty Bible website also mentions Aveda's Invati haircare system, which sounds like it does a similar job. It is a little cheaper (ahem) at £80 for the set, although the sizes of the shampoo and conditioner are a bit smaller. No reviews on Beauty Bible, but those on Aveda's website sound encouraging.

    If anyone has any experience of either of these, it would be interesting to hear.

    Thank you.
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  • j.e.j.
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    • 23rd May 12, 7:27 PM
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    • 23rd May 12, 7:27 PM
    If you've got the money to spare and you're feeling a bit flush, then go for it. But I must say, having grown up with a mum who's a hairdresser I am a bit cynical about these products. They're feel-good things to buy, but all a product like that is going to do is coat the hair. It won't make it grow thicker or stronger, etc

    What is it you want from the product?
    • Armchair23
    • By Armchair23 23rd May 12, 9:19 PM
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    • 23rd May 12, 9:19 PM
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    • 23rd May 12, 9:19 PM
    I was seriously underwhelmed when I was given an Aveda hair & body giftset I'd hankered after. I'd be cautious about forking out that kind of money without having tried it.
  • ScaryBiscuits
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    • 24th May 12, 9:45 AM
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    • 24th May 12, 9:45 AM
    Yes, I must admit I was a bit cynical about the products, as there are so many on the market that promise so much but, in my experience, fail to deliver.

    My hair is very fine and there's not much density to it. I've tried lots of 'standard' priced shampooos/conditioners which are specifically for fine, flyaway hair that needs more volume and I don't see any improvement with any of them.

    I have no problem growing my hair length-wise, but I would like to get it looking thicker and fuller, and encourage growth of more hair if possible. The Phylia de M range claims it can stimulate hair follicles thus improving growth and reducing hair loss, using natural ingredients.

    I may well just go for it; I thought I'd just see if anyone else had any experience of the product. I don't think it's been launched in the UK for very long, so there might not be many advocates yet.

    It's a pity they don't do trial sizes, or a money-back guarantee!
  • ScaryBiscuits
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    • 24th May 12, 10:04 AM
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    • 24th May 12, 10:04 AM
    I was seriously underwhelmed when I was given an Aveda hair & body giftset I'd hankered after. I'd be cautious about forking out that kind of money without having tried it.
    Originally posted by Armchair23

    I did pop in to an Aveda store as I know they do sometimes have samples available but unfortunately they didn't have any of their Invati range.

    Maybe it sells well enough - the reviews on their website are very favourable, but everyone's hair is different so I guess I won't know until I try something for myself! Perhaps I'll see if I can get to another store and enquire about samples.
    • jenniewb
    • By jenniewb 25th May 12, 3:22 AM
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    • 25th May 12, 3:22 AM
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    • 25th May 12, 3:22 AM
    From what I understand of the Aveda Invati range, its not so much the shampoo and conditioner that are important, its the spray in treatment thing which is supposed to boost hair growth. The shampoo exfoliates (gets rid of sebum trapping the hair from growing) the conditioner helps hair to stay in place- doesn't thicken, just helps repair and prevent damage to the hair you have got but the treatment spray foam is supposed to make hair grow. Its they key part but there are no samples, perhaps because you have to use it twice daily for a week or two to see any difference- this is my assumption anyway.

    I have not heard of the other range you mention, to be honest way way way over any budget!

    I tend to wait for birthday's for things as gifts, I did get sent the new L'Oreal Everpure range which isn't so bad. Doesn't do as well as you get to the bottom of the tubes as I think my hair must have gotten used to it, I have used Kerastase in the past and I didn't find my hair got used to that yet it lasted longer then the Everpure so I think its more to do with the range then anything else.

    Normally Avede do have great products, when I have used them they left my hair in great condition and last a while as you need only a little per use. If I had the money to, I'd feel safe buying the new range.
  • ScaryBiscuits
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    • 25th May 12, 10:10 AM
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    • 25th May 12, 10:10 AM
    Thank you jenniewb.

    Yes, I believe it is the spray which is the 'wonder' product in both the Aveda Invati and Phylia de M ranges. That's probably why they're the dearest of the three products in each!

    I too tried the L'Oreal Everpure and it was a very nice product but, like everything else I've tried, I didn't notice any difference to my hair. I do have the most dreadful fine flyaway hair so I'm sure it works for a lot of people who don't have such problematic hair!

    Maybe I need to try something completely different (in price and product!). I'm still thinking about it, but if I do bite the bullet and try one of these supposedly higher-end ranges, I will report back.

    It's a great idea to ask for products as birthday/Christmas gifts, thank you. If I do find a product I like I won't be able to get enough of it and it will be top of my list!
  • Saturnalia
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    • 25th May 12, 10:15 AM
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    • 25th May 12, 10:15 AM
    I find Brewers' Yeast supplements make a noticeable difference to the thickness and growth speed of my hair and are a lot cheaper too, why not try that for a while first? And making sure your diet is the best it can be will help as well.
  • ScaryBiscuits
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    • 25th May 12, 1:00 PM
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    • 25th May 12, 1:00 PM
    Thank you Saturnalia.

    I had been thinking about taking a supplement instead and was undecided as to which was best; there are so many on the market.

    I'd heard of Brewers Yeast but didn't really know anything about it. I hadn't realised it helped with hair problems so I never considered it. I'd read about 'Superior Hair' by Food Science of Vermont on the Beauty Bible website which is supposed to be good as it encourages new hair growth and prevents hair loss (like the Phylia de M/Aveda Invati hair products). Mind you, at £25 for one month's supply, this doesn't work out much cheaper than the Phylia de M shampoo which is supposed to last around 6 weeks!

    Did you find it took a long time for Brewers Yeast to make a noticeable difference to your hair?
  • Saturnalia
    I find I see results quite quickly with it, within a month! It's very good stuff for hair, contains lots of the B vitamins.
    • MoneyWorry
    • By MoneyWorry 22nd Jul 12, 2:02 PM
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    Phylia de M
    I purchased the Phylia de M shampoo and it's awful for me. Weighs my hair down and just makes it more flat than ever. I will be listing the bottle on Ebay shortly.
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    • Februarycat
    • By Februarycat 22nd Jul 12, 2:19 PM
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    I would be interested to know what works for fine hair, mine is terrible, always had fine hair. I have been using Trevor Sorbie Thickening Shampoo for fine hair which does help. Also use VO5 hot oil treatment once a week. But when I went to get my hair trimmed the other week she mentioned I had breakage at the front.
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    • thehappybutterfly
    • By thehappybutterfly 22nd Jul 12, 4:37 PM
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    I've got very thin fine hair too and have never found a product that will thicken it without simply coating it and making it look a bit manky really. Bleaching or colouring help to thicken the hairshaft so that might help but it's not a long term solution.

    Changing your hairstyle might be what you have to do. I wanted long thick Cheryl Cole type hair but that's not what I've got so I gave up growing it and accepted that my hair looks better as a pixie crop. Being shorter means it's not weighed down and I can use more hair thickening products on it like powders and sprays.

    Work with what you've got - don't try and make your hair do something it's just not capable of!
    • WolfSong2000
    • By WolfSong2000 22nd Jul 12, 5:00 PM
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    for a short-term quick-fix, dry shampoo's like Batiste (sp?) can add a bit of volume
  • londonsurrey
    Work with what you've got - don't try and make your hair do something it's just not capable of!
    Originally posted by thehappybutterfly
    You're so right. It's taken me 41 years for someone to say that to me, and it explains why I couldn't get any of those styles I'd been struggling with to work!
  • ScaryBiscuits
    I purchased the Phylia de M shampoo and it's awful for me. Weighs my hair down and just makes it more flat than ever. I will be listing the bottle on Ebay shortly.
    Originally posted by MoneyWorry
    Oh, that's a pity. I have only recently started to use the products and haven't found that problem (I was going to report back on here with my thoughts/experience in a few months' time).

    I wonder if it would be possible to obtain a refund if you found the product awful? Alternatively, have you tried contacting the Phylia people direct about the problem? I understand they are happy to respond directly to queries/comments.

    I wouldn't say I'm noticing a massive improvement in my hair or its growth yet, as it is early days of using the product but it is certainly looking a bit better - less fluffy/flyaway and also less greasy the next day.

    Yes, thehappybutterfly, it's certainly true that the right hairstyle helps and I too accepted years ago that I would have to work with what I've got and I was never going to have a thick head of hair!
  • Racheldevon
    My mum has been using this for thinning hair, and loves it, it is expensive but you only need a small amount, washing it out thoroughly doesn't appear to flattern her hair
  • treebond
    I've been on Victoria Healths website tonight, they have some travel sizes of the Phylia De M set for £40. A bit cheaper if you want to try before you buy the bigger set.....I still didnt buy it though.....
  • GrannyAtkinson
    Phylia De M Wonderful
    I bought this amazing stuff from Victoria Health and am about to purchase my third lot. Initially I got the shampoo, conditioner and connect - and now I just find using the shampoo and conditioner works a treat for me. My hair is fine but thick and when I've used this product, it shines and is bouncy and healthy looking.

    I would recommend it 100 times over!

    Some things are not suited to everyone, and I understand if someone else might not have found it so great, but I can only speak as I find. I have tried everything on the market from the cheapies to the most expensive and don't mind how much I spend if it works. This product does what it says.

    It also lasts for ages if you use according to the instructions. Just a small penny sized amount of shampoo (twice) and then a penny sized amount of conditioner - left in the hair - will do it.

    Hope it helps!

    Jay x
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    • By Fire Fox 27th Mar 13, 12:11 AM
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    Sulphate surfactant free, not surprised it can improve flyaways, greasiness and hair loss. Part of the effect will simply be down to quitting harsh cleansing agents known to damage both skin and hair.
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