Default Removal?

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xTheBearx
xTheBearx Posts: 15 Forumite
Hi there!

I made a thread last week and was given good advice, so im hoping for some more.

I've checked my 2 reports from experian and equifax much the same apart from one default on my equifax report.

After reading some advice on these forums i thought i would try and get my default removed.

I made contact my bank today and asked for a copy of my default letter, they said they could not locate one on there system. I asked them for a default date on the account and they could not tell me date other than when it got passed on to the dca. They did say they would send out a statement of that account within a couple of days.

I called the dca and they said the default date on my credit file was information passed on to them by my bank. They also could not supply a default letter and would contact my bank if need be! They said they would contact me within 14 days to tell me of there findings.

Am i right to presume if they cant produce a default letter as proof of this default, then this default must be removed from my account?

I have settled this account a few years ago now, but the default is still there.

I've done all of this over the phone or should i still send a letter asking for proof of the default letter to the dca?

Many thanks
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  • Wutang_2
    Wutang_2 Posts: 2,513 Forumite
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    Did you default though on both?
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  • xTheBearx
    xTheBearx Posts: 15 Forumite
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    Wutang wrote: »
    Did you default though on both?


    i have only 1 defaulted account and thats only on my report with equifax.
  • wayne99
    wayne99 Posts: 352 Forumite
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    raise a dispute with equifax online.

    send a letter by recorded mail to your bank requesting a copy of the default:

    use this template to start: - send the £1.00 fee to them, either cheque or postal order, keep a copy of whatever you send them.

    Dear Sirs,

    Account No: XXXXXXXX

    After recently obtaining a copy of my Credit File from the Credit Reference Agencies, I am concerned to note that your company has placed a "Default Notice" against an alleged account I held with you. Further to this, I have no recollection of ever receiving such a notice, and I therefore require you to substantiate this data.
    1. You must supply me with a true copy of the alleged agreement you refer to. This is my right under your obligation to supply a copy of the agreement under the legislation contained within s.77 - s.79 Consumer Credit Act 1974. Your obligation also extends to providing a statement of account. I enclose a £1 cheque to cover the statutory fee.

    2. Please also supply me with a signed, true certified copy of the original default notice in line with s.87 & s.88 of the CCA(1974).
    You are notified that you are obliged to supply these documents, whether you are the original creditor or not under s.189 of the CCA(1974). I request that this data is provided to me within the next 14 days. If you are unable to provide this data then I require all adverse information to be removed completely, including any defaults that may have been applied. Please note that mere correction or amendment to the entry will not be acceptable.

    Yours faithfully



    Sign digitally




    if they refuse or say there is no notice then send them this:


    Dear Sirs,

    Account No: XXXXXXXX
    After recently obtaining a copy of my credit file from the credit agency, I was extremely concerned to note that you'd added a default notice against me on XX/XX/XXXX. I feel this default entry was not only added unlawfully but also without merit. Doing so has immediately put you liable to a breach of Consumer Credit Act 1974, in particular s.87(1) of said Act;

    Section 87(1) of the 1974 Act allows the creditor to send you a default notice giving you fourteen days from the date you receive it to pay the arrears. The default notice must contain all of the necessary information under the Consumer Credit (Enforcement, Default and Termination Notices) Regulations 1983 ('the 1983 Regulations'), which includes;
    • a statement saying the notice is a default notice served under section 87(1) of the 1974 Act
    • a description of the agreement
    • the name and address of both the debtor and the creditor
    • details of the breach (i.e. late payment) and, if the breach can be remedied, the date by which it must be remedied or, if the breach is not capable of remedy, the amount required to be paid after the expiry of the specified date;
    As is clearly evident from all previous communication between us regards to this default, I never received any such notice and as a result I contest the accuracy of the default and until such time you can provide proof that you complied with the above Act, you must remove all derogatory data from the files of any credit reference agency (CRA).

    I am more than happy to issue you a Subject Access Request which should include a copy of the documents I request, which I am hopeful will include a copy of said termination and default notices which, if they are missing, will leave me no alternative but to seek legal enforcement via CPR31.16. Without sight of said default notice, I cannot argue the authenticity, enforceability or execution and therefore will use this as my claim if I am forced into taking legal action, all costs will also be claimed.

    It would, however, be in both our interests if you simply agree to remove the default being there are so many inconsistencies with the alleged default notice, the execution, the enforceability and the legal compliance that you must surely have no other alternative but to remove it, least of all as a gesture of goodwill? As I was never in receipt of any of the statutory documents (Notice of Termination of Contract; Notice of Assignment or Default Notice) then the actual default notice that is shown on my credit file is unlawful and should be immediately removed. I do not want to take this through the courts but I will enforce removal by judgement if necessary, at the end of the day you have acted unlawfully by not issuing a fully compliant and correctly executed legal document. Therefore, assuming you are happy with my proposal please confirm, in writing on letterheaded paper, the following points will be carried out;
    • The Default Notice will be removed
    • The Status of the account will change from “Defaulted” to “Settled”
    • The Current Balance will appear as £0.00
    • The Default / Delinquent Balance will be set to £0.00
    • There will be no date in the “Defaulted Date” field (as it will be removed)
    • There will be no date in the “Date Last Delinquent” field on the report
    • This will apply to all 3 Credit Reference Agencies, namely Experian, Equifax & Call Credit
    Failure to agree will result in more formal papers being sent, by return and in the meantime, I look forward to your response within the next 21 days.

    Yours faithfully




    Sign digitally

    make sure you send everything by recorded mail, keep a copy of the letters sent, and ones recieved, do not discuss this on the telephone any more, only in writing.

    these letters have been done by never-in-doubt, so i take no credit for them, if you need any more spacific help then make a post on never-in-doubts thread here : http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2532927

    i have had around 5 defaults removed from my credit file with the help of never-in-doubt, but there is no cast iron guarentee they will be removed.

    the defaults only stay on your file for a period of 6 years from the date of entry, and the process of removal can be quick but sometimes can be annoyingly lenghly, but good luck.

    wayne.
    :j:beer: :beer::j
  • xTheBearx
    xTheBearx Posts: 15 Forumite
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    thank you very much.
  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
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    JamesJones wrote: »
    I don't know where these template letters came from but you should be aware that a lender does not need to issue a default notice before registering a 'default' on your credit report. You might want to read the Information Commissioner's guidance on filing defaults with the CRAs, if you want to understand the nitty gritty around this. You can find a copy on our website here:

    To put it simply, you should be notified before a default is added to your credit report, but that can be in a number of different ways, for example a letter or account statement.

    James
    Experian

    Oi, muppet from Experian... I've just emailed Lee Hancock with a link to this thread to investigate..... you may as well kiss bye to your job if you are an Experian employee......

    For the record, you know little - have a mooch here muppet and knock yourself out: http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showpost.html?p=34238243&postcount=501

    I think you'll find we'll follow s.86, s.87 & s.88 of the CCA along with OFT guidance LONG BEFORE we consider reading anything that Experian, a Private company has to say about the matter!

    The part you ought to be reading is shown below - pay close attention to the red text I highlighted for you!
    The new minimum period after which a creditor or owner may take action (in respect of the agreement after having issued a default notice) is now 14 days. It used to be only 7 days. s.14 CCA 2006 amends s.88 of the 1974 Act to create this extension.

    Additionally, under s.87, a creditor or owner must give the debtor or hirer a default notice in the prescribed form if he wishes to:
    - terminate the agreement;
    - demand earlier payment of a sum;
    - recover possession of any goods or land;
    - treat any right conferred on the debtor or hirer by the agreement as terminated, restricted or deferred; or to
    - enforce any security
    s.88 is also amended to allow the Secretary of State to prescribe information in the default notice to include any matters relating to the agreement (e.g. information about whether the agreement includes a term providing for the charging of post-judgment interest).

    In summary - before a DN can be added the creditor MUST give the debtor a default notice in the prescribed form if they wish to terminate the agreement
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
  • oscar52
    oscar52 Posts: 2,272 Forumite
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    Oi, muppet from Experian...

    You wake up wrong side of bed Niddy or is it just the heat getting to you :p
    No Longer works for MBNA as of August 2010 - redundancy money will be nice though.

    Proud to be a Friend of Niddy.
    no idea what my nerdnumber is - i am now officially nerd 229, no idea on my debt free date
  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
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    oscar52 wrote: »
    You wake up wrong side of bed Niddy or is it just the heat getting to you :p

    LOl, hiya matey - nice to see you posting again ;);)

    Nah i'm fine but cannot believe that Experian have an employee on here without MSE's strict permission! The guy doesn't have a clue - he really doesn't. :rotfl: :rotfl:

    You know me, say it as it is - then i'll prove the facts! :D:D
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
  • Fergie76
    Fergie76 Posts: 2,293 Forumite
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    I sent the 1st letter in post 4 to British Gas they have put a default on my Experian file, this is my only default (settled) from 3 years ago. TBH, I don't think I even defaulted on the account, I switched suppliers and I think I came to agreement to pay to pay outstanding balance. Can't remember to be honest.

    I sent this on the 13 June, so over the 14 days I gave them to respond. I know they have received it as the cheque was cashed on the 23 June.

    What's the best course of action?

    Give them a few more days, send a hastener or phone them?

    Cheers.
  • never-in-doubt
    never-in-doubt Posts: 20,613 Forumite
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    Fergie76 wrote: »
    I sent the 1st letter in post 4 to British Gas they have put a default on my Experian file, this is my only default (settled) from 3 years ago. TBH, I don't think I even defaulted on the account, I switched suppliers and I think I came to agreement to pay to pay outstanding balance. Can't remember to be honest.

    I sent this on the 13 June, so over the 14 days I gave them to respond. I know they have received it as the cheque was cashed on the 23 June.

    What's the best course of action?

    Give them a few more days, send a hastener or phone them?

    Cheers.


    As they cashed the cheque on 23rd they will respond soon - however that letter is wrong as BG is utilities not credit so no agreement will be sent, you should have sent a prove it letter.....
    :o 2010 - year of the troll :o

    Niddy - Over & Out :wave:
  • Fergie76
    Fergie76 Posts: 2,293 Forumite
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    As they cashed the cheque on 23rd they will respond soon - however that letter is wrong as BG is utilities not credit so no agreement will be sent, you should have sent a prove it letter.....

    Doh! :rotfl:

    I just seen 'remove default after account is settled' and sent the letter.

    I'll see what they say. As I said in my previous post I don't believe I defaulted. I owe no money to them.

    It says I defaulted in Oct 07, but it doesn't say when I settled. Hopefully, they will get the gist of the letter and respond accordingly. The worst thing about it is, it was only £168.

    How much 'effect' does a 3 year old settled default have on your credit rating any?
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