Civil Service Pension - no more lump sum, what to do?

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  • fraser
    fraser Posts: 277 Forumite
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    The Government contribute something? I don't think the government contributes anything. There is no Civil Service pension pot it comes directly from taxation collected during the year AFAIK.

    ok ok our tax monies fill the void

    http://www.civilservice-pensions.gov.uk/Menu.asp?MenuIDS=4,245,277,278

    Employers' contributions

    Apart from the 1.5% contribution you make towards your pension, your employer makes further contributions. These contributions are based on salary bands and currently range between 12% and 18.5%. The rates are reviewed every three years.
  • dougodurban
    dougodurban Posts: 21 Forumite
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    In the Times yesterday they said the following. "from next year Britons
    can claim a 40% contributions from the taxman by putting an overseas home on their personal pension funds". Where do I find out more about this? I will only have about 10 years pension, albeit Govt pension, and will have to retire overseas to be able to liive..
    Doug
  • ReportInvestor
    ReportInvestor Posts: 3,646 Forumite
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    You don't sound as if you have a personal pension.

    You can't put a government paid final salary based pension such as yours into property. They "just" pay you an income when you retire. You don't manage the contributions paid as an investment.

    Your scheme is an enviably good one, however :).
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 116,387 Forumite
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    In the Times yesterday they said the following. "from next year Britons
    can claim a 40% contributions from the taxman by putting an overseas home on their personal pension funds". Where do I find out more about this? I will only have about 10 years pension, albeit Govt pension, and will have to retire overseas to be able to liive..
    Doug

    That is not strictly true.

    You will be able to claim 40% if you are a higher rate taxpayer. Basic rate taxpayers will be 22%.

    Also, property purchases through a SIPP are likely to be far more expensive than an individual purchase and the compulsion to sell on specific events may not suit everyone.

    Basically, allowing residential property into personal pensions is going to suit the wealthy rather who have significant reserves rather than someone using this as a sole retirement vehicle.

    You also need to have the bulk of the money in the pension fund already to be able to buy the property. Contribution limits may prevent you doing this for a few years, unless you already have a big fund built up.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • catzeyes79
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    Dear all,
    Possibly a similar sort of question but i am very much a newbie and don't quite understand all the response..especially the one aboy the goverment and hatchet to CS pensions. I like luis am a civil servant and have a clasic pension for about the last 5 years. I am very fortunate to own a part share in (25%) in land and property worth currently about 500 000 to 700 000 and have about 20 000 in savings. However, i woukd like to plan more for the future and wanted to know if i could invest;
    1) in a private pension or isn't it worth it (especially avc's due to the uncertainty of what is happening with CS pensions)
    2) I already invest 100 a month via fidelity international managed in North america but I belive this fund has expensive charges so do I continue.


    Thanks in advance

    Happy xmas and a happy New year
    There is nothing as certain as death and taxes :confused:
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 116,387 Forumite
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    1) in a private pension or isn't it worth it (especially avc's due to the uncertainty of what is happening with CS pensions)

    Depends on your circumstances. A private pension is just a tax wrapper to put investments in. The same investments which go in ISAs also go in pensions.

    Can you clarify if you are a member of the civil service pension scheme?

    2) I already invest 100 a month via fidelity international managed in North america but I belive this fund has expensive charges so do I continue.

    Too many people get hooked up on charges as the main thing. It is not. Its about value for money. Now that can mean paying more for quality. Would you rather be in a fund costing 0.5% but returning 5% or in a fund costing 1.5% but returning 9%?

    Also, with charges, you have to remember there are charges on everything. Savings Accounts, Cash ISAs, the lot. Some you see, some you do not. However, the profit is there on all of them. Savings accounts, for example, can actually be one of the most expensive products for a consumer. Yet most consumers will tell you that they pay no charges. If the bank it making 9% on the money and only paying 4%, then it is taking a 5% charge off it. With unit trust/OEIC funds, the charges are explicit and you can see them.

    Fidelity funds tend to be more expensive, as do many of the top fund houses. However, in general, you do get what you pay for.

    Standard & Poors did some research a few years back that showed, in general, the higher charged funds outperformed the cheaper funds. There will always be exceptions of course.

    As to whether you continue placing £100pm into a higher risk fund in just one sector is your choice. I would never stick 100% into one sector, either professionally or personally.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • catzeyes79
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    Hi dunstonh,
    Thanks for your reply,
    I am in the goverment classic scheme and have been for 5 yrs. I was manily wonderin how to plan for my twilight years. I am 33, jusy got married. With the uncertainty over the pensions I was wondering if I should may further investment provision (I suppose I should regardless!!).
    Like i said I currently invest 100 a month in fidelity (ISA investment). I take your point regarding the charges and value for money. With regard to investments I am unsure what to do with around about 20000 I have in cash; 15000 in cash isa's and the rest in the bank.
    As I live in a very large & old property I am catious of putting too much money up in the stock market when I might need it due to the nature of the property I live in also my wife will be giving up work soon to take up full time education.

    I understand your comment about not sticking all your eggs in one basket and thought that with, the value of the property, cash savings, goverment pension and ..........possibly looking to invest some more money either in a pension or stockmarket, wasn't doing this .
    :xmassign:
    There is nothing as certain as death and taxes :confused:
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 116,387 Forumite
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    The classic scheme is still a very good scheme. Even if the retirement age is upped to 65, it will still be one of the best. Although, that wont bother you as you are already in it. Its only newcomers.

    I wouldnt be inclined to pay any more into a pension as you have the classic scheme. I would focus on capital and building up lump sums, such as in ISA.
    As I live in a very large & old property I am catious of putting too much money up in the stock market when I might need it due to the nature of the property I live in also my wife will be giving up work soon to take up full time education.

    This gives me a little worry. You appear to be cautious but are in medium/high risk fund. Investing in the stockmarket isnt just an on/off switch for risk. Its a sliding scale and you have picked a fund near the top end of the scale. There are also equity ISA funds which can have no stockmarket content. Gilts, corporate bonds, fixed interest and from April 2006, commercial property. Mixing and matching these funds means you dont expose yourself to one area. For example, using the crude but simple 1-10 risk scale, (1 = low risk, 10 = high risk), you are in a risk 8 fund. Stockmarket content funds begin around 5. Equity ISAs tend to have funds that begin around 4. The scale is crude when looked at in isolation but it gives you an idea of where you are investing in the scheme of things. I bet if I emailed you my DIY risk questionnaire (9 questions to ascertain your risk tolerance which are then scored and give you points depending on how you answer), you would come out way below where you are currently investing.

    As for where you should put it, look at where you are currently with your assets. Heavy in property, heavy in cash and a small bit in just one sector. Ideally you shouldnt be heavy in any one area.

    You should always have an emergency fund and you have. Remember that modern equity ISAs have no exit penalties. If you invest with a fund supermarket you can spread your money over at least 10 funds. Keep some of it in lower risk funds so if your emergency fund is not enough, you can call on the low risk funds first, if it isnt suitable to hit the higher risk funds. An alternative option would be to increase your monthly amount so you phase in your contributions so you dont hit your savings all at once.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • catzeyes79
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    Hi,Once again thanks for the advice.
    Basically I inherited 25% of the house which I don't have a morgage on it and also the money (infact i'm debt free..event student loans). I must admit i didn't realise that the Fidelity fund was so high in risk but I am cool with that as long as i balance my protfollio (get me with the lingo). I realise that ineed to sort out what to do with the money as it isn't being used in a smart way (I need it to work harder for me so i don't have to....Work smarter not harder!). I have heard of fund supermarkets but know little of them.
    Is there anything you can recomend or any advice on building a balanced portfolio. If you don't mind me asking are you an IFA ("Independent Financial Advisor - AKA "DD" on old board.") and if so could you give me any advice on what i would need to know about looking in to a new career. It' somethiing I love and find facinating. My current job is O.K but it never hurts to have more strings to my bow.


    Cheers
    :snow_laug
    There is nothing as certain as death and taxes :confused:
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 116,387 Forumite
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    I am cool with that as long as i balance my protfollio (get me with the lingo).

    ROFL ;)
    Is there anything you can recomend or any advice on building a balanced portfolio. If you don't mind me asking are you an IFA ("Independent Financial Advisor - AKA "DD" on old board.")

    I can't on here as advice is personal and Pal would shoot me for doing so as the board has a no advice on forums rule. I will send you a PM and we can have a chat in private.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
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