Capital Gain Tax Q - Property
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IceScraper
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How much Capital Gains would be payable if I sold?
House bought for £73,000 in 1988. Lived in it until 1992 at which point it was let out.
Purchase costs were £1,700
Selling costs would be approx £3,000
Improvements made were changing old wooden windows to fully UPVC windows at a cost of £4,000.
House now worth £240,000.
Now married.
How much CGT would be payable?
House bought for £73,000 in 1988. Lived in it until 1992 at which point it was let out.
Purchase costs were £1,700
Selling costs would be approx £3,000
Improvements made were changing old wooden windows to fully UPVC windows at a cost of £4,000.
House now worth £240,000.
Now married.
How much CGT would be payable?
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IceScraper wrote: »How much Capital Gains would be payable if I sold?
House bought for £73,000 in 1988. Lived in it until 1992 at which point it was let out.
Purchase costs were £1,700
Selling costs would be approx £3,000
Improvements made were changing old wooden windows to fully UPVC windows at a cost of £4,000.
House now worth £240,000.
Now married.
How much CGT would be payable?
The Search function for this Forum would find much information to help you.Here are a couple of such threads setting out the basic calculations you would need to make
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=5046487
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/....php?t=5035228
You will get a fuller response if you had a stab at your own calculations once you have read these,and then post back here when the experts ( of which I am not one) can make any corrections0 -
OK. Here goes
Gain = Sale Price - Purchase cost - purchase costs - selling costs - improvement costs*
*=improvement costs not permitted to be offset against rental income. For example old sash windows to uPVC I couldn't offset, whereas replacement of bathroom I could
Gain = 240,000 - 73,000 - 1,700 - 3,000 - 4,000 = £158,300
Bought in May 1988. Sold in October 2014. 317 months, of which I lived in it for 49 of them, so investment for 268.
Does that mean my gain for CGT reasons is 268/317 of £158,300 = £133,830
Minus £40,000 lettings relief = £93,830 which is my liability.
Split with the wife that means £47,000 each but we get £11,000 allowance so CGT payable on £36,000 each.
Which rate, 18% or 28%, is payable on this?
And are these calcs correct?0 -
thank you for trying, it along the right lines but not quite there
does your 49 months lived in a) include or b) exclude the final 18 months of your ownership of the property? I will take as read that there is no overlap between the lived in period and these final 18 months? If the answer is b) exclude then you have under counted the PRR period and it should be 49 + 18 = 67 months
was your wife living in the property whilst she was an owner of it, ie it was your marital home at that time? If yes, she too is entitled to letting relief. I assume 50/50 ownership split, if not equal shares please state respective actuals as it is vital to calculate the respective net taxable gain correctly as you will see below
the potential revised calculation is therefore:
gross gain: 158,300 your share: 79,150, wife's share 79,150
PRR: 79,150 x 67/317 = 16,729
LR: lowest figure from:
a) PRR: 16,729
b) gain in let period 79,150 x (317-69)/317 = 62,421
c) max allowed 40,000
******the lowest figure is your PRR figure********
personal allowance: 11,000
net taxable gain : 79,150 - 16,729 - 16,729 - 11,000 = 34,692
therefore assuming your wife was an owner for the full 317 months you EACH have a taxable gain of 34,692
each of you must declare that figure on your respective a tax return (the value is above the threshold where it a return is mandatory) but how much tax each of you pays depends entirely on your respective total incomes, for example:
Now suppose you have a salary of £30,000 and no other income, that means your income subject to income tax is 30,000 - 10,0000 IT personal allowance = 20,000 and the basic rate income tax bracket runs to 31,865 meaning you have 11,865 remaining of "basic rate" threshold
Your CGT payable is therefore
the amount in the "basic rate" 18% bracket is 11,865 x 18% = 2,136
the amount in the "higher" threshold 28% bracket is (34,692 - 11,865) x 28% = 6,392
Total CGT payable by you (based on a salary of 30k) for a net taxable gain of 34,692 is 8,528
now suppose your wife earns a salary of 47,000. That is well above the basic rate income tax threshold of 31865 + 10,000 (IT allowance) so all of her gain is payable at the higher 28% rate so she would pay 9,714 CGT against her 34,692 net taxable gain
so to answer your question how much will you pay, we cannot give figures unless you both post your exact respective incomes chargeable to income tax (including any savings interest , dividends etc etc)
PS technically speaking you could have claimed the windows as a repair cost against the income tax as HMRC changed their mind on windows being a repair not a capital item sometime ago. But as you appear not to have done so leave your claim as it is now0 -
Adjust below re letting relief - booksurr is correct and this will be restricted (sorry tired and worked on basis that £40K would be due!):
Add 18 months to the 49, as you get that as a bonus (used to be another 36 months), so gain will be based on 250/317, so £124,842 and £84,842 after letting relief.
'Now married' to me suggests the property isn't in joint names. If that's the case then £73,842 is assessable on you after the £11K exemption, with maximum CGT due of £20,676. If it is in joint names then you split evenly, as you suggest.
The 18% and 28% are linked to your income tax rate, so if you're a higher-rate income taxpayer then all will be at 28%, but if you are a basic-rate taxpayer, then some will be at 18%.'I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my father. Not screaming and terrified like his passengers.' (Bob Monkhouse).
Sky? Believe in better.
Note: win, draw or lose (not 'loose' - opposite of tight!)0 -
Thanks for that, it's appreciated.
The 49 months does not include the last 18 months of ownership.
Nor did the Wife ever live in it.
It was originally bought with an ex. We split and she signed the house over to me.
I moved out in 1992 when I got married.
Does that make it more complicated?0 -
OK so it is owned entirely by you alone, and your wife never lived there
so it would be very foolish to put a share of it into her name now. therefore your calculation is simpler but more expensive....
gross gain 158,300
PRR 158,300 x 67/317 = 33,458
LR: a) 33,458 b) 124,842 c) 40,000
PA: 11,000
net taxable gain: 80,384
depending how much remains of your "basic rate" band the amount between your actual income subject to income tax (ie salary+ gross savings interest + gross dividends etc) and the threshold value of 41,865 will be at 18%, everything else will be at 28%
the worst case, ie where your actual income is > 41,865 would be 80,384 x 28% = 22,508 CGT payable out of the £240,000 cash you will get when you sell it. Don't spend your "winnings" all at once
EDIT - SEE LATER POST FOR ADDENDUMSpidernick wrote: »Add 18 months to the 49, as you get that as a bonus (used to be another 36 months), so gain will be based on 250/317, so £124,842 and £84,842 after letting relief.
'Now married' to me suggests the property isn't in joint names. If that's the case then £73,842 is assessable on you after the £11K exemption,.0 -
Booksurr, I have sent you a PM0
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ADDENDUM
your actual situation is significantly different to the above illustration which was based on the data you show above, your real calculation is therefore very different0 -
Also bear in mind that each month that goes by the percentage of the whole period that the property was your main residence decreases (as that remains a constant whereas the total period of ownership increases each month) and so the overall chargeable element increases (assuming no change in the property value) in booksurr's helpful calculation above. A few months won't make much of a difference, but the affect will obviously increase over time.'I want to die peacefully in my sleep, like my father. Not screaming and terrified like his passengers.' (Bob Monkhouse).
Sky? Believe in better.
Note: win, draw or lose (not 'loose' - opposite of tight!)0 -
Can I but in? What would happen if he and his wife moved into the house for a few months?0
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