Debt sold advice please

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  • National_Debtline
    National_Debtline Posts: 7,998 Organisation Representative
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    Hi flenk

    We need to differentiate between the different types of requests you can make.

    A Subject Access Request (SAR) made under the Data Protection Act is where you request information about yourself from a company and they have 40 days to provide it. If they fail to do so you can make a complaint to the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO).

    A CCA request under sections 77-79 of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 means you are asking for a true copy of your credit agreement and/or a statement of the account. You must send a £1 fee for the request to be valid. The company has 12 working days to provide the information. If 12 days pass and the information has not been provided the debt will become unenforceable until it is provided, assuming the credit agreement was taken out before 6 April 2007.

    You can find links to sample letters here https://www.nationaldebtline.org/EW/factsheets/Pages/getting-information/credit-agreement-advice.aspx

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  • flenk
    flenk Posts: 15 Forumite
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    Thanks anna_1977 and thanks Susie @natdebtline,
    To Susie-
    I made the second of your example requests and did send the £1.
    The card account was from 2002.
    12 working days have passed since the date of my letter sent both by post and as a pdf file by email.
    Are you saying that they have forever to actually produce a proper copy of the CCA and unenforceability only remains in force until they do so ?
  • National_Debtline
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    Hi again flenk

    Under the CCA request once the 12 days have passed the agreement becomes unenforceable. If at any point after that they were able to provide a true copy of the credit agreement then the debt will revert to being enforceable. If they struggle to provide the information you may be able to use it as a negotiating tool to get them to write the debt off or accept a full & final offer.

    If they take court action before providing the information you should seek legal advice on entering a defence that the debt is unenforceable. Hope this helps.

    Susie
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  • flenk
    flenk Posts: 15 Forumite
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    Please can someone tell me:
    When these debts are purchased what sort of percentage of the original debt are they purchased for ?
    Or put another way, what is the minimum percentage of the original would a debt purchaser accept as settlement ?
    Any advice here would be appreciated.
  • sourcrates
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    flenk wrote: »
    Please can someone tell me:
    When these debts are purchased what sort of percentage of the original debt are they purchased for ?
    Or put another way, what is the minimum percentage of the original would a debt purchaser accept as settlement ?
    Any advice here would be appreciated.

    That information is never divulged, as its a private business arrangement between the original creditor and the new owner.

    You can only make an educated guess judging by the amount of discount some DCA`s offer.

    A number of other factors also determine this figure, but with discounts ranging from 30% to 60% your looking at pennies in the pound, sometimes you have to be a bit cheeky and try your luck.

    But, dont forget, you are still liable for the full amount outstanding, and any discount is entirely at the creditors discretion.
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  • Someone I knew who worked for a DCA said they bought debts for 6% of the value; sounds low to me but maybe it's true. If you're looking to offer a F&F settlement then start low and see what they say.
  • Guest101
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    Someone I knew who worked for a DCA said they bought debts for 6% of the value; sounds low to me but maybe it's true. If you're looking to offer a F&F settlement then start low and see what they say.
    Depends on the type of debts.


    Something unsecured with only a year left before being statute barred could easily be that value.
  • fatbelly
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    That's what I've heard - between 6 and 16 %
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