Brexit

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After watching this FACTUAL (the government do not deny any of it) documentary, anyone still wanting to stay in the EU must be on drugs - or the EU's payroll.[/QUOTE]

It's comments like this which make the OUT camp look really daft lol

If we leave, the Eu/Euro will have a real tough time and might collapse just on this event -- like a big dam, a little crack, then two, more, and more, then a whole lot of tears. But we already have a few cracks from Greece and the others (Italy/gulp). Might crash down anyway and we would be wiser to stand away from the crash path.

So, the German and French dreamers will be a bit annoyed with us stepping back from further integration/union, and they might want to throw our toys out of the pram. But they will still need to export to us more than us-to-them -- they won't want to crash their own economy out of spite. So, they will be restricted on toy-throwing.

BUT, staying in is not any better. They will not only throw our toys out of the pram, they have much, much more they can and will likely do to strip UK down to size. eg, there is a plan to take our armed forces under one central command, for example. The sneaky lying Cameron is keeping that one quiet until after the referendum, in case some feel a bit threatened when other nations order our troops to go into battle (or stand down when we alone are threatened). There is a whole lot more coming with this integration and we are not going to come out of it any richer. They have already taken a few shots at our Financial industry over recent years. They will keep on and on with that one until Frankfurt is the top dog. Cameron tells us anything to con the vote and afterwards, well, forget it all. Plus he will be soon retire with all his mega cash so what does he really care, in or out. He just does not want his name in Wiki as a loser who failed to trick and boss the country on this vote.

The thing is, would you go into business with 1-2 others as a ltd company, when you do not hold control of the finances. Or with others that have a different purpose than you, and you know well that you cannot trust them at all. Well, you might still do it - many do, and those many people soon break up the ltd after disagreements with finances and who is pitching in more and getting less etc.

Keep the EEC trade deals/opportunities, but cut loose that integration and heavy control from Germany and France, cut lose from those heavily biased politicians who see this fat Brit cow, as their short-term food supply. And then.... greece all around, then new laws to force us to accept etc etc. And maybe use our own troops to enforce it.

No, it seems risky to separate out, but it is far riskier to remain bonded to these others who are using politics to rule us like the tightly-controlled German population (or like the Greeks).

(The French smugly think they will always be at the high table..... that will also change when their time comes.)

As for selling our stuff into Eu, it will not be any different. Just need to add one of them gift-labels on the back of the packet for customs people (should do that already/anyway, maybe).

Obviously there are people who are happy right now and why would they risk a change? But, there will be people on the breadline who fancy a flutter and a change means potentially better things - but they have nothing to lose. The question is - what proportion of the voters would like life to continue as is and what proportion will gamble for a change in fortune?

My (probably stupid) assumption is that infrastructure is set up to operate in the EU currently, so leaving the EU would involve a lot of outlay to alter the existing infrastructure - that is a big hit financially and time-wise (government departments will be spending their time working out and working on what is involved in getting everything running as a non-EU member - i.e. the changes).

Ultimately nobody knows what will be best as nobody can predict the future - all I hope is that whichever way the British public vote - it works out better or the same as what we have now and not worse, but that would be the risk of change.

Samsonite1 wrote: »

Obviously there are people who are happy right now and why would they risk a change? But, there will be people on the breadline who fancy a flutter and a change means potentially better things - but they have nothing to lose. The question is - what proportion of the voters would like life to continue as is and what proportion will gamble for a change in fortune?

My (probably stupid) assumption is that infrastructure is set up to operate in the EU currently, so leaving the EU would involve a lot of outlay to alter the existing infrastructure - that is a big hit financially and time-wise (government departments will be spending their time working out and working on what is involved in getting everything running as a non-EU member - i.e. the changes).

Ultimately nobody knows what will be best as nobody can predict the future - all I hope is that whichever way the British public vote - it works out better or the same as what we have now and not worse, but that would be the risk of change.

It seems all the politicians can!

wrightk wrote: »

was undecided until recently, sent my postal vote off and im out. what swung it for me was the constant scaremongering every day in mainstream media, 'noone will trade with us, we will be shut out', 'you will lose your pensions','world war 3', 'terrorism will increase'

The disgusting way the Kinnock family amassed their wealth helped to swing it for...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3636143/Greediest-snouts-EU-trough-Not-sure-vote-Read-stinking-wealth-hypocrisy-Brussels-fat-cats-Kinnocks-help-decide.html

It's got to stop.:mad: