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MSE News: Budget 2014: Radical reforms to give greater access to pensions savings

"Pension savers will have the option to gain immediate access to their pot at non-punitive rates from age 55"
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Budget 2014: Radical reforms to give greater access to pensions savings

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  • Herbyme
    Herbyme Posts: 725 Forumite
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    I may be being paranoid but it occurs to me that if I have easier access to that pot of money, it might be taken into account (and taken off me) by my local authority when it comes to assessing how much I would have to pay for care in old age. Anyone got any thoughts?

    Other than that I think it's the only good thing I can think of that Osborne has ever done for me.
  • bigadaj
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    I may be being paranoid but it occurs to me that if I have easier access to that pot of money, it might be taken into account (and taken off me) by my local authority when it comes to assessing how much I would have to pay for care in old age. Anyone got any thoughts?

    Other than that I think it's the only good thing I can think of that Osborne has ever done for me.

    Is there any special reason you shouldn't have to pay for your care in old age?
  • djt1959
    djt1959 Posts: 7 Forumite
    H I am confused, by the Chancellors Budget. My wife has a very small pension, which will be paid out for the first time in 7 days time, as follow, 25% cash free lump sum and an annual annuity. Could she have with drawn the whole amount of the pension, valued at around £17,000 :think:

    I am in a simular position, have a £12,000 which I can access in June this year. Could I also draw this amount in full?

    Both these pensions play a minor role in our retirement plans as we have considerable NHS pensions

    Regards
    Dave

    P.S please help if you can:money::happyhear
  • Froglet
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    Afraid it is too late for your wife,as she has now signed up.But if you wait until next April then yes you can do that.

    Hubby took his pension annuity early,last year, when he finished work.Now he says he would definitely have waited had he known.I expect there will be many who feel the same.

    It was a shock to, i suspect,many people and i bet pension companies will not be happy at losing the chance to continue to make money from annuities.
  • gadgetmind
    gadgetmind Posts: 11,130 Forumite
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    djt1959 wrote: »
    Could she have with drawn the whole amount of the pension, valued at around £17,000

    Yes, under current rules, she could withdraw all £18k (subject to 25% tax free and rest taxable) as long as she had no other pensions under the triviality rules.

    Your NHS pensions will mean you don't qualify as these are worth the same as *vast* pensions pots, many many times the triviality rules.
    I am not a financial adviser and neither do I play one on television. I might occasionally give bad advice but at least it's free.

    Like all religions, the Faith of the Invisible Pink Unicorns is based upon both logic and faith. We have faith that they are pink; we logically know that they are invisible because we can't see them.
  • atush
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    how much is your DB/FS eonsion going to pay out? anyone earning 12K or more has flexible DD?

    Otherwise, wait until next year
  • Tojo_Ralph
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    edited 20 March 2014 at 6:55AM
    I am just trying to get my head around these changes without getting too excited, because if the changes mean that I can get 25% of my DC pot tax free and the rest of the DC pot at 20%, that changes my retirement plans.

    So..... Can I take 25% of my DC pot at 55 and my remaining pot at 20% tax? or is there a year on year limit up to the upper tax band?

    Currently I pay in a fair amount into my pension on the basis that £1 in my pension is better than 60p in my hand, however if on retirement I will be able to take 25% of my DC pot tax free and the rest of it at 20%, then I will simply ramp up contributions into my pension for the next few years, take the entire pot on retirement and retire earlier than planned.

    The MSE article says... "Under the new rules, you can still take 25% of your pot as a tax-free lump sum, but anything above will be taxed as regular income NOT at 55%. So if you're a basic-rate taxpayer, you'll pay 20% tax" ..... Which implies I can do as I have suggested.


    The Gov website says... "you will only pay the marginal rate of income tax on anything withdrawn from a defined contribution pension" .... Which again implies I can take my whole pot DC, 25% tax free and 75% at 20% tax.

    Any ideas before I get too excited?
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  • lvader
    lvader Posts: 2,579 Forumite
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    The higher income tax rates would still apply to money withdrawn from your pension.
  • Tojo_Ralph
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    edited 20 March 2014 at 6:56AM
    lvader wrote: »
    The higher income tax rates would still apply to money withdrawn from your pension.
    As a blanket statement I do not see how that can apply?

    Are you saying that taking the pot all in one year would result in a higher rate of tax on the monies as they would be treated as one years earnings?

    Does it then follow if instead in year one I take 25% of the pot and approx £41,000 of my pot year on year (assuming no other earnings) I would pay tax on the £41K at a max rate of 20%?
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    Rip Off - Clearly written Terms and Conditions.
    Terms and Conditions - Otherwise known as a loophole or a rip off.
  • lvader
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    Whatever you take out of the pot is income and normal income tax brackets apply.
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