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'Discos grab-bag crisps calorie con – food labelling must improve' blog discussion
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Old 19-08-2013, 11:22 AM
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Default 'Discos grab-bag crisps calorie con – food labelling must improve' blog discussion

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Old 19-08-2013, 12:22 PM
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The worst culprit here is Twix, which IIRC has the information for each individual biscuit...
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Is this like that Jonathan Maitland bloke saying 6 doughnuts are healthier than a fruit smoothie?

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It's annoying but I don't really see how you can stop them doing it. They aren't lying to you, there is 160 odd calories in 28g of the crisps.

I find per 100g information useful as well as per pack/serving depending on what it is. It makes working out whether one snack has a higher percentage fat than another easier.
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I also think that the serving size should be related to what a reasonable person would eat.
So often my wife and I will share a supermarket pudding and then look to see the suggested serving is 1/6th of the pudding. I find it hard to believe that most couples would make it last three sittings.
Neither of us are calorie counting, so it doesn't really matter, but I still think it is wrong.

And am I right that a 500ml bottle of Coke is described as two 250ml servings? Who would share one of those?

The other one that annoyed me the other day was a bag of salad which contained "1 and a bit" servings - i.e. the weight of the pack wasn't a multiple of the weight of a serving.
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Smiths is a newsagent and bookstore, so it's perfectly reasonable to sell only small bags of crisps.
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Best one is some crisps being advertised on the radio, at only 99 calories per 23g serving.

Who will sit down and weigh out 23 grams of crisps from a 200 gram packet?
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Bottles of pop use the same tactic. 250ml serving listed on a 500ml bottle. Same with those cinema sized bags of sweets

Really, they should be forced to list calories for the entire bag/packet. Anything along the lines of what 'a reasonable person would consume' would be stretched and abused simply to get around the rules. Plus if you only ever list the entire contents of individual things it's far easier for someone to work out what half/quarter is and moderate their intake accordingly.
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Bottles of pop use the same tactic. 250ml serving listed on a 500ml bottle. Same with those cinema sized bags of sweets

Really, they should be forced to list calories for the entire bag/packet. Anything along the lines of what 'a reasonable person would consume' would be stretched and abused simply to get around the rules. Plus if you only ever list the entire contents of individual things it's far easier for someone to work out what half/quarter is and moderate their intake accordingly.
But 250 ml is a normal serving of pop. Most people are stretched to down a 330 ml can never mind a bottle.

And if you are stuffing your face with a 250g (or, rather, 165g - that is a far more annoying shenanigan to me) bag of sweets then why does the calorie content matter in the first place?

Most items contain both per 100 or per 1000 details as well as per 'serving' anyway.

The Discos example is valid, though.
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But 250 ml is a normal serving of pop. Most people are stretched to down a 330 ml can never mind a bottle.
I disagree.
The vast majority of people who buy 500ml bottles of drink would drink it themselves as one portion.
It's the size of drink that's included in the meal deal in Boots and other places. Why would you get a sandwich for one person, a snack for one person and a drink for two people?
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labels will start to look different next year.

They are aiming them to be easier for the general public to use.
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I disagree.
The vast majority of people who buy 500ml bottles of drink would drink it themselves as one portion.
It's the size of drink that's included in the meal deal in Boots and other places. Why would you get a sandwich for one person, a snack for one person and a drink for two people?
some portions sizes will be consistent with e.g. 2 litre version of coke etc. With a 2 litre bottle of coke they will assume the average person will then drink 250ml a time.
I have not checked the portion size on coke so could be wrong.

Also when coke sell the bottle. They will not change the label if they think its going to boots meal deal or the garage forecourt.

WIth garage forecourt they can often sell a bottle and people will share a bottle with there other half. So 250ml can be relevant.
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I disagree.
The vast majority of people who buy 500ml bottles of drink would drink it themselves as one portion.
It's the size of drink that's included in the meal deal in Boots and other places. Why would you get a sandwich for one person, a snack for one person and a drink for two people?
I've never drank a 500ml bottle of drink in one go and have never seen anyone else do it either. I've always drank around half of it with my lunch then saved the other half to drink over the rest of the afternoon. My parents, sisters, other family members and friends have always done the same when I've been out with them and at college & uni there were loads of people with half-full bottles of 500ml drinks on the desk in the afternoons.

I've always seen a meal deal as buying some lunch, a snack and a drink that will last you the afternoon too. Surely that's why 500ml is the smallest of the bottle sizes rather than the largest of the cans?
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Does seem a bit rude tbh but the real issue with Discos is that they are disgusting to eat
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I'm more concerned that labels don't even list the correct ingredients.
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Maybe I'm in the (piggy) minority when it comes to 500ml drinks, then!

Maybe this discussion demonstrates that the concept of a typical portion size is flawed.
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The worst culprit here is Twix, which IIRC has the information for each individual biscuit...
Which apparently is what Martin wants them to be legislated or otherwise forced to do (label biscuits per biscuit). The problem with any kind of regulation of pack sizes is that not everyone is the same and actually doing it would become a nightmare.

Is a 60g bag of crisps 1 portion, 80g? 100g? 150? 200g?

Why label per biscuit if some biscuits are half the size of others. Is there any evidence to suggest that this better informs people? All it'd encourage is companies to put more, smaller, biscuits into a pack and customers to buy smaller, potentially less healthy biscuits in packs.

Perhaps Martin would like to set up a voluntary committee that will define the standard portion size for all foods and then seek a commitment from food manufacturers to label accordingly?
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as said above labelling will change in 2014.

Its also going to more standard across the EU as well.

So there will still be things that confuse people at first, but in the long term should be better as when you go on your holidays it will be the same.
Its been desinged to allow people to more easily identify nutritional values of products etc.
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Smiths is a newsagent and bookstore, so it's perfectly reasonable to sell only small bags of crisps.
'Grab bags' aren't the standard small packets - they're considerably bigger (two portions worth ;-) !)
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