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[Tigersilly]

Eyeliner just doen't stay put on my eyes. Can anyone advise me of a good brand of waterproof eyeliner/ kohl? I'm desperate to find out.

[mossstar]

Have you ever tried cake/solid eyeliner and a fine brush? It's not necessarily waterproof, although you can get a 'sealent' to make it so, but it doesn't seem to shift until you want it to!!

I was using laura mercier, which is fab but expensive, but am now using a cake eyeliner from Screenface in London, a professional tv/stage/film makeup shop, who also do very good cheap brushes (mine was all of 1.85). The eyeliner is around 6 pounds, and will last a LONG time....

I've also bought plenty in the past from ebay by searching for 'cake eyeliner'. I think benefit do a sealer? or screenface or prob on ebay too.

The other thing about cake as opposed to liquid or pencil (i find anyway) is that I can get as thin or as thick a line as I want, and can make it either very natural or dramatic, depending on what I'm up to. I also add a very thin line UNDER my upper lashes, right up in them.

[saving-grace]

On holiday (because of going to the pool) I use a waterproof pencil by Clarins.It is waterproof but not the easiest pencil to apply as its quite hard so I wouldn't want to use it all the time at home.
I had a so-called waterproof pencil by Dior which wasn't waterproof at all.

I'd be interested to hear if anyone knows of a budget brand waterproof pencil.

[floyd]

Estee Lauder double wear eyeliner, I can't get the swine off!!! It doesn't smudge at all, even if you rub your eyes or have a shower.