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moonrakermagpie
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Hi, I am helping our daughter with her debt (£3000 in total) have post on here several time, so thanks up to now.
These debts have been running for about five years and have gone from the original sources onto to debt collection companys. They were all ignored to start with and paid token payments when the letters got really threatening.
There has been periods when regular payments have been made for a period but then stopped.
In order to start sorting them out once and for all, I recently sent letters down-loaded from this site, requesting a copy of the signed credit aggreement and other details about the debt history etc.
I have just received a reply from moorcroftwhich states:-
...........We write further to your recent letter.We can confirm that on this occasion we are unable to provide a copy of the signed Credit Agreement for the above account as we are no longer dealing on the above account. We therefore returned the postal order submitted in that connection.
Please forward all future queries and payments direct to our client.
yours sincerely.
operational support supervisor
Can anyone explain what this means, ie why after so money years are they now not "dealing" with the above account.
AND what is the best thing to do from now on. Do we just wait for someone to contact us.
Many thanks for your help
And to be honest, thank God for this forum.
Cheers. Steve
These debts have been running for about five years and have gone from the original sources onto to debt collection companys. They were all ignored to start with and paid token payments when the letters got really threatening.
There has been periods when regular payments have been made for a period but then stopped.
In order to start sorting them out once and for all, I recently sent letters down-loaded from this site, requesting a copy of the signed credit aggreement and other details about the debt history etc.
I have just received a reply from moorcroftwhich states:-
...........We write further to your recent letter.We can confirm that on this occasion we are unable to provide a copy of the signed Credit Agreement for the above account as we are no longer dealing on the above account. We therefore returned the postal order submitted in that connection.
Please forward all future queries and payments direct to our client.
yours sincerely.
operational support supervisor
Can anyone explain what this means, ie why after so money years are they now not "dealing" with the above account.
AND what is the best thing to do from now on. Do we just wait for someone to contact us.
Many thanks for your help
And to be honest, thank God for this forum.
Cheers. Steve
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Basically, Steve - YES the 'dreaded' MOORCROFT could not supply a true signed copy of the original credit agreement and have, basically, admitted that they can no longer pursue the 'alleged debt'.
Well Done - you have shown that the system works.
I would not contact the original creditor.
It is possible that another Debt Collection Agency will 'latch on' to this 'alleged debt' in the hope of making a fast buck. If that happens, do the same with them.
Again - Great Result - Well Done. :T :T :TI am NOT, nor do I profess to be, a Qualified Debt Adviser. I have made MANY mistakes and have OFTEN been the unwitting victim of the the shamefull tactics of the Financial Industry.
If any of my experiences, or the knowledge that I have gained from those experiences, can help anyone who finds themselves in similar circumstances, then my experiences have not been in vain.
HMRC Bankruptcy Statistic - 26th October 2006 - 23rd April 2007 BCSC Member No. 7
DFW Nerd # 166 PROUD TO BE DEALING WITH MY DEBTS0 -
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Basically, Steve - YES the 'dreaded' MOORCROFT could not supply a true signed copy of the original credit agreement and have, basically, admitted that they can no longer pursue the 'alleged debt'.
Well Done - you have shown that the system works.
I would not contact the original creditor.
It is possible that another Debt Collection Agency will 'latch on' to this 'alleged debt' in the hope of making a fast buck. If that happens, do the same with them.
Again - Great Result - Well Done. :T :T :T
Seriously though - can I now claim for payments we have made in the past
I do still have some proof of payments made
Still rotfl :rotfl: :rotfl:
Cheers Steve:j :j :j0 -
Here is Crown's offering for similiar circumstances You need to edit it to fit with your DDs situation.
I refer to my letter dated {enter date} which was delivered via Recorded Delivery to your offices on {enter delivery date}.
You have failed to acknowledge this request by not supplying the requested documents. The documents I requested should be readily available as proof of your legal right to collect this account.
In my letter of the {enter date} I made a formal request for a copy of the signed, executed credit agreement for the above account under Section 77(1) and Section 78(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and a true signed copy of the Deed of Assignment. In addition a full statement of my account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account from the time {debt agency name} purchased this account, along with any other documents mentioned in the credit agreement.
You are reminded that you are obliged to supply these documents, whether you are the original creditor or not, as defined under Section 189 of the CCA 1974.
The Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for this request to be carried out before your company enter into a default situation. If the request is not satisfied after a further 30 calendar days, your company commit an offence. These time limits expired on {enter date} and {enter date} respectively.
As you are no doubt aware, Section 78(6) states:
If the creditor under an agreement fails to comply with subsection (1) -
(a) He is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement; and
(b) If the default continues for one month he commits an offence.
Therefore on {enter offence date} this account became unenforceable at law and no further payment will be made by myself to the account, as you have failed to comply with a request for a true signed copy of the said agreement, and other relevant documents mentioned in it, and failed to send a full statement of the account and failed to provide a true copy of the Deed of Assignment, under the relevant sections of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. Further, i do not acknowledge any debt to {debt agency name}.
I require the following action from {debt agency name} :
1. All payments made to date to {debt agency name} for this account should be refunded in full, including interest at the rate of 8% per annum.
2. Removal of all defaults entered by {debt agency name}. Note this is to be a complete deletion and not merely an amendment.
3. I look forward to compensation under Section 13 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to be offered for the processing of my data in the manner it has been done over the past number of years.
4. After a full refund of all payments with interest and compensation are received by myself, you will be required under Section 10 and Section 12 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to cease and desist all manual and automatic processing of my data within your company and any other company within your group.
If you do not respond positively to my request, court action may be taken under Section 14 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to force {debt agency name} or any other company within the group to comply with the refund of all monies paid, removal of all defaults maintained and compensation for damage and distress as a result of unlawful data processing. I may also pass the matter to the relevant enforcement authorities including, but not limited to, the OFT, the Information Commissioners Office, Trading Standards, the CSA, the FOS and my local MP.
I look forward to your reply within 14 days to resolve the matter amicably.If you've have not made a mistake, you've made nothing0 -
moonrakermagpie wrote: »Hi, I am helping our daughter with her debt (£3000 in total) have post on here several time, so thanks up to now.
These debts have been running for about five years and have gone from the original sources onto to debt collection companys. They were all ignored to start with and paid token payments when the letters got really threatening.
There has been periods when regular payments have been made for a period but then stopped.
In order to start sorting them out once and for all, I recently sent letters down-loaded from this site, requesting a copy of the signed credit aggreement and other details about the debt history etc.
I have just received a reply from moorcroftwhich states:-
...........We write further to your recent letter.We can confirm that on this occasion we are unable to provide a copy of the signed Credit Agreement for the above account as we are no longer dealing on the above account. We therefore returned the postal order submitted in that connection.
Please forward all future queries and payments direct to our client.
yours sincerely.
operational support supervisor
Can anyone explain what this means, ie why after so money years are they now not "dealing" with the above account.
AND what is the best thing to do from now on. Do we just wait for someone to contact us.
Many thanks for your help
And to be honest, thank God for this forum.
Cheers. Steve
Hi Steve,
Firstly, well done on what you have done to Moorcroft. Could you post the link where you donwloaded the letter from as my wife and I have a couple of these Moorcroft accounts and would like to stick it to 'em! I am not really up to speed on taking these kinds of companies on so just curious of where and when you heard about it! All the best!0 -
yes, certainly I will!!! I will have to search for the link though. but can I also suggest that you start a new thread on this forum regarding your whole situation, ie SOA and history etc so that the really knowledgable wonderfull folk on here can help you much more than I can0
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I have written my cca request to moorcroft, theycashed my £1 cheque today so I look forward to their producing my docs. i just wish they wouldn'y harrass so badly. Because I have gone self employed, my payments to them have gone right down, nd evry coupld of months they seem to get a bee in their bonnett and constantly ring me for 4/5 days running. Surprisingly, there is never a record on their pc about my conversation and I & E from the day before! Sometimes I think they do it on purpose and maybe put me on speakerphone in their office while they listen to me squirm and have to explain my embarrassing skintness again!!! Well done steve, i'm sure your daughter is grateful, and also lucky she can share her probs and have someone like you one her side!!0
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Here is Crown's offering for similiar circumstances You need to edit it to fit with your DDs situation.
I refer to my letter dated {enter date} which was delivered via Recorded Delivery to your offices on {enter delivery date}.
You have failed to acknowledge this request by not supplying the requested documents. The documents I requested should be readily available as proof of your legal right to collect this account.
In my letter of the {enter date} I made a formal request for a copy of the signed, executed credit agreement for the above account under Section 77(1) and Section 78(1) of the Consumer Credit Act 1974 and a true signed copy of the Deed of Assignment. In addition a full statement of my account should have been sent to me detailing all debits and credits to the account from the time {debt agency name} purchased this account, along with any other documents mentioned in the credit agreement.
You are reminded that you are obliged to supply these documents, whether you are the original creditor or not, as defined under Section 189 of the CCA 1974.
The Consumer Credit Act allows 12 working days for this request to be carried out before your company enter into a default situation. If the request is not satisfied after a further 30 calendar days, your company commit an offence. These time limits expired on {enter date} and {enter date} respectively.
As you are no doubt aware, Section 78(6) states:
If the creditor under an agreement fails to comply with subsection (1) -
(a) He is not entitled, while the default continues, to enforce the agreement; and
(b) If the default continues for one month he commits an offence.
Therefore on {enter offence date} this account became unenforceable at law and no further payment will be made by myself to the account, as you have failed to comply with a request for a true signed copy of the said agreement, and other relevant documents mentioned in it, and failed to send a full statement of the account and failed to provide a true copy of the Deed of Assignment, under the relevant sections of the Consumer Credit Act 1974. Further, i do not acknowledge any debt to {debt agency name}.
I require the following action from {debt agency name} :
1. All payments made to date to {debt agency name} for this account should be refunded in full, including interest at the rate of 8% per annum.
2. Removal of all defaults entered by {debt agency name}. Note this is to be a complete deletion and not merely an amendment.
3. I look forward to compensation under Section 13 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to be offered for the processing of my data in the manner it has been done over the past number of years.
4. After a full refund of all payments with interest and compensation are received by myself, you will be required under Section 10 and Section 12 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to cease and desist all manual and automatic processing of my data within your company and any other company within your group.
If you do not respond positively to my request, court action may be taken under Section 14 of the Data Protection Act 1998 to force {debt agency name} or any other company within the group to comply with the refund of all monies paid, removal of all defaults maintained and compensation for damage and distress as a result of unlawful data processing. I may also pass the matter to the relevant enforcement authorities including, but not limited to, the OFT, the Information Commissioners Office, Trading Standards, the CSA, the FOS and my local MP.
I look forward to your reply within 14 days to resolve the matter amicably.
Hi, thanks for that,
Can I ask a few questions, as after my/our success I do not want to shoot myself in the foot.
1, If I submit the above letter,(which I am perfectly happy to do) am I likely to open up a can of worms and prevoke them to stand and fight.
2, How tailored is this letter to our individual circumstances.
3, Can they go back on the fact that they have said they do not have a signed credit agreement, if they find it in the future, and then pursue the debt again.
4, Will this debt still be held on file by the credit reference companies (experian) and can any other company pusue this debt in the future.
I am more than happy to carry on with the claim but do not what to be to "cocky" and "screw-up", that would not help my daughter at all.
To be honest dealing with "E's" debts was never about not paying them, as I believe that if you borrow money to pay for stuff then morally you should pay them back every penny, I simple sent out the letters to try to get proof of the original debt and how much had been paid to date, so I could come to some arrangement to settle the debt whilst paying the least possible within "E's" very tight budget. Yes I was very suprised and highly delighted and proud when we received the letter saying that they could no longer pusue the debt, but also impressed on"E" how lucky we/she was and not to think she can do it again "EVER".
I would never teach any of our kids to run up debts and then help them find a way to get out of paying them.
Many thanks
Steve0
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