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Transfer of property from parents to son with intention to coninue living at property

I live with my parents and they own the house we live in. If they transfer the property to me, and continue to live there, what are the tax implications. The property is mortgate free (they outright own the property). They do not own any other property and do not intend to rent elsewhere or move into a care/nursing home. They understand that the 7 year IHT rule my apply in the event of death.

1. Are my parents or myself liable to pay any sort of tax?
2. Do they need to pay me rent to continue living there?
3. Do I need to pay tax on the rent?
4. Is there anything else they need to consider?
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  • margaretclare
    margaretclare Posts: 10,789 Forumite
    Can't be done. This has been discussed over and over again. Do a bit of searching, and you'll come up with answers.

    It seems to be a bright idea, but it doesn't work, for a number of reasons.

    They would need to pay you an economic rent i.e. a similar rent to that being charged on similar properties in the area. You would then have to declare this as income on your tax return. The answers to 2. and 3. are both 'yes'.

    Why do they want to do this - you say they don't intend to move into a care home? The usual reason is to avoid paying for residential care (which doesn't work either).

    HTH

    Margaret
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  • diesel9181
    diesel9181 Posts: 203 Forumite
    i thought it did work? my granda has done something similar, maybe he gifted it to the family. what other possibilities are there? :)
  • Can't be done.

    I don't understand? What stops them from doing this?

    My parents want to sort out their finances while they are still alive. As they don't work and have any income, I am supporting/caring for them. I pay all the bills and household expenditure as they are not able to do so.
  • localhero
    localhero Posts: 834 Forumite
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    Margaretclare is largely right.

    1) If the whole property is gifted, the value of the property will be added back into the value of their estates when calculating IHT. This is irrespective of how long ago the gift was made - unless you pay the rent and they pay the income tax on it.
    2) A local authority can ignore the transaction without limit of time if they consider that it was done to avoid paying long term care fees.
    3) If you become involved in a marital dispute/bankruptcy their home is at risk.

    That said, because you live there, if they give you a reasonable share, let's say a third and survive for seven years then that will work, and it may be a good idea if they are concerned about inheritance tax. It would be quite straightforward to arrange and wouldn't even require a solicitor - but do take advice.

    Remember also, that if you move out or buy another property there could also be Capital Gains Tax to pay on the gain of the property's value.

    I think if IHT is an issue for your parents, they should also obtain professional advice about their wills. A good willwriter will assist with the above at the same time. PM me if you require any help.
    [FONT=&quot]Public wealth warning![/FONT][FONT=&quot] It's not compulsory for solicitors or Willwriters to pass an exam in writing Wills - probably the most important thing you’ll ever sign.[/FONT]

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  • Andy_L
    Andy_L Posts: 13,164 Forumite
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    Margaret means it can be done but it won't avoid IHT/care home fees etc
  • margaretclare
    margaretclare Posts: 10,789 Forumite
    My parents want to sort out their finances while they are still alive.

    Obviously - it's too darned late to sort out their finances once they're NOT alive!
    As they don't work and have any income, I am supporting/caring for them. I pay all the bills and household expenditure as they are not able to do so.

    But you just said they want to sort out their finances while still alive, and then you say they have no income?

    They must have income of some sort - retirement pensions, attendance allowance (if they need 'caring').

    If they give their house to you they will have to pay you rent on it, as I said before. You will then declare that rent as income on your tax return.

    I should explain - we're a pair of wrinklies but, unlike your parents, we DO have income, retirement pensions each etc. You say they're not able to pay all the bills and household expenditure - most retired people on pensions have to pay bills and normal house expenses?

    We do quite nicely on pensions income and while I agree, many older people are poor (often women in the older age-groups living alone) some of us even manage to save.

    I would agree that EVERYONE needs to sort out their finances and leave everything in apple-pie order. No one knows what can happen tomorrow, next week or even in the next 5 minutes. I still don't understand what your parents hope to gain from this.

    There is also a risk to them - if the house becomes yours, you marry and divorce, the house then becomes part of a divorce settlement. Or if you go bankrupt. These are all scenarios that have happened. Your parents could be very vulnerable.

    Margaret
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  • localhero
    localhero Posts: 834 Forumite
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    Margaretclare, they can gift a share of their home and protect it against care fees and IHT. This is because their son is living there with them. (As against gifting the whole home which is different). Provided they live for seven years and depending on their circumstances it could be very worthwhile.

    As I also explained, they need to understand the pros and cons and obtain proper legal advice. At the same time, tax planning and care fees mitigation is put into place in their wills before they take any action.

    Overworked, someone needs to assess their situation and advise according to their circumstances, whilst they are both still alive.
    [FONT=&quot]Public wealth warning![/FONT][FONT=&quot] It's not compulsory for solicitors or Willwriters to pass an exam in writing Wills - probably the most important thing you’ll ever sign.[/FONT]

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  • Thank you for your replies.

    I still dont understand why there is a problem with them continuing to live in the property after gifting it to me. They are willing to take the risk of the unforseeable future and I will continue to look after them in any case any way. I dont see why I have to charge them rent, when they are unable to pay this in the fist place. They dont want to rely on government hand outs when I am able to give a better level of care than anyone else.
  • localhero
    localhero Posts: 834 Forumite
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    Because they cannot make a gift and reserve a benefit from it. They can make a gift of a smaller share of the property.

    How much is the property worth and have they got up to date wills?
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    [FONT=&quot]Membership of the Institute of Professional Willwriters is acquired by passing an entrance exam and complying with an OFT endorsed code of practice, and I declare myself a member.[/FONT]
  • margaretclare
    margaretclare Posts: 10,789 Forumite
    Because they cannot make a gift and reserve a benefit from it. They can make a gift of a smaller share of the property.

    In my usual cack-handed and non-expert way, this is what I've been trying to say. You cannot give something away and reserve a benefit from it. You can't give someone a Christmas present and say 'oh, but I really want to use it for myself. I want to pretend I've given it to you, but really I haven't'.

    The last sentence 'they don't want to rely on government hand-outs....' is quite offensive to those of us whose main income is retirement pension. We worked for it and paid for it over many years and we're entitled to it. Same with your parents. They are entitled to their retirement pensions, and if they need 'care', then either or both of them is entitled to attendance allowance. This is not a 'hand-out', it's an entitlement.

    We could say the same thing. DH's son is a high-flyer who is doing very very well. But neither DH or I would take a thing from him, nor from our daughters either. It's called self-respect and independence. And we are not about to give our house away to anyone else either.

    I would agree about wills. Everyone should have a will, and it needs to be kept up to date, say every 5 years or so. Things can change.

    Margaret
    [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Æ[/FONT]r ic wisdom funde, [FONT=Times New Roman, serif]æ[/FONT]r wear[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]ð[/FONT] ic eald.
    Before I found wisdom, I became old.
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