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"The Lie of the Land" - Will you be a vegetarian on Friday
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harryhound
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There will be an interesting documentary on the telly Tomorrow (Thursday) night.
Channel 4 is screening "The Lie of the Land" at 21:00 - 22:30. The programme will be showing images that clash a bit with the spring lambs images we normally get at this time of year.
I'll be watching it, just as soon as I get in from setting the rat traps.
Will it put me off drinking milk in my tea ? I'll let you know on Friday.
Harry.
Channel 4 is screening "The Lie of the Land" at 21:00 - 22:30. The programme will be showing images that clash a bit with the spring lambs images we normally get at this time of year.
I'll be watching it, just as soon as I get in from setting the rat traps.
Will it put me off drinking milk in my tea ? I'll let you know on Friday.
Harry.
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harryhound wrote: »There will be an interesting documentary on the telly Tomorrow (Thursday) night.
Channel 4 is screening "The Lie of the Land" at 21:00 - 22:30. The programme will be showing images that clash a bit with the spring lambs images we normally get at this time of year.
I'll be watching it, just as soon as I get in from setting the rat traps.
Will it put me off drinking milk in my tea ? I'll let you know on Friday.
Harry.
You're not telling me that the lamb shank I had for tea tonight comes from those white fluffy animals that I see from my car ?
Oh goodness gracious, I must join ALF immediately !!!! now where did I leave that nice nut cutlet ?0 -
Yes, it will be a "shock tactic" piece of journalism, but it might just wake some people up as to the quite frankly awful way certain products, especially eggs, are produced for the consumer. Now I ain't no Vegan, but there are some products I wouldn't touch (battery eggs, dutch veal for example) and maybe a program like this will have some educational purpose. It will likely try and make me guilty for enjoying my Sunday roast, but there you go
Having said that, a lot of "free range" products leave a lot to be desired, so I hope they will cover this aspect too.0 -
it might just wake some people up as to the quite frankly awful way certain products, especially eggs, are produced for the consumer.
I was brought up on a farm so I don't suppose the programme will be news to me in any way, just the way "shock/horror" presentation will be used. .
Whilst agreeing with linzibean in some respects, it all boils down to what the customer is prepared to pay for his food. Generally, the public has been brainwashed into believing that cheap food is a 'right'. Well, as in every other walk of life, "you gets what you pays for" !
Britain's dairy farmers are going out of business in droves because of the disgustingly low prices they are paid for their milk.
In 1995 a farmer got 24.5/Ltr, now he gets less than 18p.
In 2002 a Ltr of milk in a supermarket cost 44p, now it is more than 53p.
No wonder Tesco's profits are soaring !
I buy my milk from a local garden centre, who get it direct from a farm in Somerset. I have worked out that I pay 89p/Ltr for Un-homogenised, organic, Jersey milk and it's worth every penny ! I can just imagine the headlines if supermarkets started charging that (and of course gave the increase to the farmers - dream on !)
Milk is not an isolated example, it is happening all across agriculture, milk, eggs, meat, spuds - you name it.
When the farmer does try to make a decent living he is 'underhandedly' undercut. Farmers Markets have sprung up and the unscrupulous have jumped on this bandwagon. There are numerous Farmers Markets doing a roaring trade around Greater London. At many of these markets "Isle of Wight Tomatoes" stalls are in evidence. It has just come to light that this company buys its tomatoes, cucumbers and aubergines from a company called "Wight Salads". Wight Salads has a turnover in excess of £60M a year supplying ............. the UK supermarkets !!!!! So you are buying the same tomatoes that Tesco are selling, but at twice the price !
I don't know what the answer is; buy at the farm gate - but consumers want perfect fruit and veg with no lumps/bumps/blemishes - just like Tesco !
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moonrakerz wrote: »I was brought up on a farm so I don't suppose the programme will be news to me in any way, just the way "shock/horror" presentation will be used. .
Whilst agreeing with linzibean in some respects, it all boils down to what the customer is prepared to pay for his food. Generally, the public has been brainwashed into believing that cheap food is a 'right'. Well, as in every other walk of life, "you gets what you pays for" !
Britain's dairy farmers are going out of business in droves because of the disgustingly low prices they are paid for their milk.
In 1995 a farmer got 24.5/Ltr, now he gets less than 18p.
In 2002 a Ltr of milk in a supermarket cost 44p, now it is more than 53p.
No wonder Tesco's profits are soaring !
I buy my milk from a local garden centre, who get it direct from a farm in Somerset. I have worked out that I pay 89p/Ltr for Un-homogenised, organic, Jersey milk and it's worth every penny ! I can just imagine the headlines if supermarkets started charging that (and of course gave the increase to the farmers - dream on !)
Milk is not an isolated example, it is happening all across agriculture, milk, eggs, meat, spuds - you name it.
When the farmer does try to make a decent living he is 'underhandedly' undercut. Farmers Markets have sprung up and the unscrupulous have jumped on this bandwagon. There are numerous Farmers Markets doing a roaring trade around Greater London. At many of these markets "Isle of Wight Tomatoes" stalls are in evidence. It has just come to light that this company buys its tomatoes, cucumbers and aubergines from a company called "Wight Salads". Wight Salads has a turnover in excess of £60M a year supplying ............. the UK supermarkets !!!!! So you are buying the same tomatoes that Tesco are selling, but at twice the price !
I don't know what the answer is; buy at the farm gate - but consumers want perfect fruit and veg with no lumps/bumps/blemishes - just like Tesco !
Discuss !
My granddad was a farmer all his life and would be turning in his grave if he knew what was happening now. Luckily (for him) he retired after making a very good living.
I would love to be able to buy at the farm gate - I am happy to peel off the muck! I would also pay more for something that I knew was fresh and locally grown. You never know where Tesco has really got it from do you?
Re chicken/lamb/beef I would rather buy fresh, organic, local meat and pay more for it than atificially 'pumped up' meat that just dissapears when you cook it!
I only actually buy cupboard goods from the supermarket now, I buy my meat directly from the butchers and fruit and veg from the local farm shop (they source all their goods from local farmers). My shopping bill is certainly not low, but everything we eat is yummy and I know where it came from!0 -
i got my own chickens as that was the only way I could be 100% certain they were free range and happy. After that scandal a little while back about the battery eggs labelled as free range you just can't be certain till you see things with your own eyes :sad:
Pork I buy from a farmer who lets me feed the pigs! All other meat I've stopped eating.0 -
So what did people think about this program?? i only caught the last 35 minutes of it but it was fasinating stuff and really puts the plight of farmers into context and i think i will look upon the meat in my fridge in a different way after seeing the slaughtering in this programme.......
This probably will sound utterly stupid but theres fairtrade coffee for giving a decent deal to the coffee makers, why isn't there fairtrade for locally produced food so that the consumer can choose what to buy in the supermarket or in other shops?0 -
I think I got the idea of this program wrong. I was expecting it to be the usual ALF inspired dross.
The points put across were good. If a little obvious to anyone who's ever stepped foot outside the M25.
Pity about the woman narrating it. I suppose the idea was a clueless townie wannabe-heroin going and giving a microphone to the poor backwards farmers.This probably will sound utterly stupid but theres fairtrade coffee for giving a decent deal to the coffee makers, why isn't there fairtrade for locally produced food so that the consumer can choose what to buy in the supermarket or in other shops?
The same reasons as why people care about fox hunting but don't give a toss about rats. I guess ruddy west country farmers aren't as cute and fluffy as third world aboriginals!0 -
The farmer/landowner, who seemed to know how many beans make 10, was the beef man in the Cotswolds. I was really impressed when he told us he had built that lovely house himself.
The scene with his expert/accountant said it all. He and his capable wife appeared to be amongst the best of farmers BUT they were now having to get expert help to tell them how to farm the subsidies and milk the rest of us.
I think it was this farmer who tellingly observed that we now have a Labour government giving subsidies to wealthy LANDOWNERS.:rolleyes:
It looks like a farmer or two has posted on this thread, and I really would like a farmer to explain to me the subsidies being paid to the farmers in last night's program. Really I just want a general idea but feel free to go into as much detail as you like with the different schemes and how it will be levelled out in the next few years. As I write this I can look out on about 200 acres growing weeds, the rumour mill says this land is being negotiated with the planners for a "new sustainable village".
So what do the good old boys in 19th century Cornwall get paid?
How much is paid to the 20th century Cotswold beef farmer?
If you know how much subsidy is being paid to the new gentry, a 21st century hedge fund city slicker in Surrey, that would be amusing too.
I was thinking in terms of £££'s per acre (or per hectare if you must).
M.H.
My previous attempt to find out this information from Farmersam is in this thread.
When something is being kept dark, I always get the feeling there must be something nasty going on.
http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?p=22765130 -
Before the huge EEC subsidies, many farmers were 'asset rich but income poor'.
The much maligned Common Market Agricultural policy, with its complicated system of quotas and subsidies, was a genuine attempt to provide a fair deal for both farmers and consumers.
However like so many of these well intentioned schemes it became open to ‘manipulation’ and abuse and there are now few poor farmers; despite their protestations to the contrary.0 -
Here is my 2 cents..
I'm sure your income is a great deal better than your local farmer.
Farmers are only rich though the land they own - by selling this they would have no income without turning to complete change of career which isnt likely for the average farmer in 50s/60s.
I think its horrible the way the government treats british farmers today - a preference of foreign food and letting supermarkets rule the economy
as only a teenage daughter of a farmer i cant explain the way the system works but i do know that its a joke how farmers are treated these days.
farmers used to be valued members of society who grew crops, raised animals and supplied milk - now they are seen in a very sterotypical light e.g. they must be loaded because they can sell land to make new villages or housing estates. The programme could have done a very successful job of educationing people who are unaware where food comes from expect tesco or asda wrapped in plastic and an insight into this unjustice against british farmers today - but instead showed mostly the slaughtering of animals and a heavy focus on hunting.0
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