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Tax Amnesty discussion

Do you get income from overseas, such as holiday home rent or offshore savings interest?

If you do, but haven't declared it to the tax man, there's an amnesty if you do it before 22 June. This avoids the potential of a 100% penalty fine and prosecution. New information sharing rules make it much easier for you to be traced but if you let them know before this date the fine will be only 10%.

For more info see the Sunday Times article: Tax amnesty for overseas home owners


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  • Cook_County
    Cook_County Posts: 3,096 Forumite
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    PricewaterhouseCoopers forcefully make the point that this is NOT an amnesty from prosecution. MSE Wendy may want to change her choice of wording. This is PwCs view:

    "Date Published: 17/Apr/2007
    Countries: United Kingdom
    The introduction of a one-off offshore disclosure facility primarily to enable people who have undisclosed offshore bank accounts to make them known voluntarily in return for reduced penalties provides taxpayers with an opportunity to ensure their tax affairs are in order. While many people may refer to this as an amnesty it is not: there is no immunity from prosecution and all tax and interest must be accounted for. Although the primary targets of HMRC's initiative are offshore accounts, anyone making a voluntary disclosure of past tax irregularities can expect similar treatment. All of this follows recent action by HMRC using powers under TMA 1970 s20(8A) to obtain information from major UK banks. PwC has set up a 24 hour helpline for taxpayers who would like to discuss what HMRC's initiative means for them.


    Any taxpayer wishing to disclose voluntarily under a new process announced by HMRC today, 17 April 2007, must notify HMRC by 22 June 2007. They must then quantify their disclosure before 26 November 2007, submit tax, interest and penalty calculations and pay in full. HMRC reserves the right to check the accuracy of the disclosure later, particularly when further offshore bank account details become available. Taxpayers will know whether or not their disclosure has been accepted by 30 April 2008 at the latest.

    Stephen Camm, tax partner at PwC UK, advises taxpayers to use this opportunity to ensure their tax affairs are in order, he said:

    “Taxpayers need to understand that if they have an undisclosed offshore bank account, it will be discovered. This opportunity for reduced penalties is very unlikely to be repeated. It is a chance for taxpayers to avoid much higher penalties than the fixed 10% penalty being sought here. For example, if a taxpayer has a £50,000 tax bill they will pay a £5,000 penalty under this facility - a saving of £10,000 or more on the penalty normally charged."

    Evidence of HMRC’s determination to gather details of offshore bank accounts using the power to obtain third party information under section 20(8)(A) of TMA 1970 was apparent as key Special Commissioners’ decisions were published last year, the latest of which noted HMRC was targeting an estimated £281m of unpaid tax, interest and penalties (see HMRC seeks £281m tax, interest and penalties from customers of four high street banks and below for further details). HMRC now estimates that it will ultimately gain access to up to a million offshore bank accounts and that hundreds of thousands of these will not have been disclosed for tax purposes. It estimates that it is likely to collect more than £1bn in unpaid tax, interest and penalties.

    However, although the primary targets of HMRC’s initiative are offshore accounts, anyone making a voluntary disclosure of past tax irregularities can expect similar treatment. The initiative covers all taxes.

    Steve Camm adds:

    “There is a balance, however, to be struck by HMRC between offering adequate incentive to encourage disclosure and not alienating legitimate taxpayers. While many people may refer to this as an amnesty, it is not. There is no immunity from prosecution - for organised crime for example - and all tax and interest must be accounted for."

    Some taxpayer scenarios

    Scenario 1: Untaxed income/profits put into an offshore account

    Mr S has deposited undeclared business profits totalling £20,000 into his offshore bank account in Jersey each year for ten years (£200,000 in total) and has received £30,000 interest over the years. He has never informed HMRC about this money. He has a potential income tax liability of £92,000 as a higher rate taxpayer.
    Does he need to disclose? Yes - all the deposits and the interest are taxable.

    Penalty under normal circumstances £27,600 or more (30%+ of tax)
    Penalty within the offshore disclosure facility £9,200 (10% of tax)
    Saving £18,400 or more (20%+ of tax)

    Scenario 2: Non-UK domicile who doesn’t remit offshore account interest

    Mr E has received £2,000 interest gross in an offshore account in Switzerland which has been kept in Switzerland.
    Does he need to disclose? No - Mr E is not domiciled in the UK and has not remitted the interest, so he has no UK tax liability on it.

    Scenario 3: Untaxed interest of £1,000 or less in an offshore account

    Mr T, a higher rate taxpayer, has received but not declared, £1,000 interest gross from an offshore account he has held in Spain over several years.
    Does he need to disclose? Yes - the interest is taxable.

    Penalty under normal circumstances £120 (30% of tax)
    Penalty with the offshore disclosure facility £nil (below de minimus limit for penalties)
    Saving £120

    Background to offshore disclosure facility

    The Chancellor of the Exchequer provided the Inland Revenue with £66m in extra funding for three years in the Spring 2003 Budget. Under the heading of ‘Spend to Save’, these funds were used to tackle specific forms of non-compliance and tax avoidance. The Inland Revenue was given a target to deliver an additional £1.6bn yield. One of the four main areas to receive extra funding was the Special Compliance Office (SCO), where the Offshore Funds Project Group (OFPG) was formed mainly to recover tax evaded by individuals who have used offshore trusts to conceal untaxed profits.

    In the 2004 Budget, the Chancellor announced a further package of compliance measures that allowed the Inland Revenue to build on the work started in 2003. In total, funding of £115m was committed in expectation of a yield of £2bn.

    By the time of the publication of HMRC’s 2004 Spring Departmental Report, the Inland Revenue reported that SCO’s new teams had already recovered several millions of pounds in previously evaded tax and that it was on course to meet its targets.

    Evidence of HMRC’s determination to gather details of offshore bank accounts using s20(8)(A) TMA 1970 power (a wide-ranging third party information power used only in significant cases to obtain details relating to a class of taxpayers where tax loss is suspected) was apparent as key Special Commissioners’ decisions were published:

    SpC 517 HMRC Commissioners v Financial Institution: details of customers with a UK address who held credit cards linked to offshore bank accounts were accessed by HMRC, which estimated that tax of up to £347m would be collected on undeclared interest and the untaxed profits and gains that funded the accounts. The institution was given 60 days to provide six years' information. (See HMRC access to offshore bank account details: action after landmark decision)
    SpC 536 HMRC Commissioners v Financial Institution (No.2): it was found that a UK bank had possession of its offshore subsidiaries’ banking records for UK-based customers and so was obliged to provide these to HMRC. (See HMRC's further success on UK individuals' offshore bank accounts).
    Financial Institution No.1 SpC 2059/06, Financial Institution No.2 SpC 2060/06, Financial Institution No.3 SpC 2058/06 and Financial Institution No.4 SpC 2061/06. Four legal decisions set out how HMRC has gained access to computer-held details of non-UK accounts held by UK customers of four financial institutions. In doing so, HMRC presented evidence to support a claim that it will collect £281m from many thousands of people with hidden savings. It also presented evidence to show that in many cases the source of offshore account deposits is undeclared income and gains. (See HMRC seeks £281m tax, interest and penalties from customers of four high street banks).

    Further information

    Details of the Offshore Disclosure Facility are available on the HMRC website: click here.

    PwC has set up a 24 hour helpline (0800 328 8215) to help taxpayers who would like to discuss what HMRC’s initiative means for them. "
  • dazchief
    dazchief Posts: 18 Forumite
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    As a holiday homeowner abroad, I have property in spain, and have paid spanish taxes, exempting me to pay taxes here due to the dual tax agreement.

    Not sure if I still need to let the tax man in the UK know that I have paid the taxes in Spain, though I guess if they are sharing information, they probably already know this?.

    Can anyone advise?
  • mjr600
    mjr600 Posts: 760 Forumite
    What people should never do is to deal only in cash, convert it to Gold Coins or small Ingots and store them in a safe or safety deposit box.

    That would be wrong and you shouldn't even think about it.

    You should declare everything to the Revenue like good citizens and have a nice warm feeling knowing that having worked hard to earn the money whilst being taxed, you then saved whilst it was taxed, you paid VAT and Stamp Duty on your major purchases only to invest abroad paying various local taxes in a bid to secure a further, often retirement, income on which you then pay taxes back to the British Gov and if you try and save that, well they'll tax you again.

    Death and Taxes !

    Avoid tax, spend it or die, decisions decisions.

    And yes of course I know Tesco often moan when paying for shopping with a 10 gram gold bar.
  • dejongj
    dejongj Posts: 141 Forumite
    Do you know whether they have powers to get bank details from any bank in the world even when they have no links to the UK?

    For example lets assume someone I know has got a deposit account in Luxembourg opened since he was borne with money deposited in cash on a regular basis by non UK residents and never has performed any kind of electronic transfer to the UK or address registration in the UK....Yet that person resides in the UK....Would they still have access to that kind of information?
  • heleen
    heleen Posts: 116 Forumite
    Just looking for people's view on my likelihood of getting caught with teh following:

    I am non domiled. In 1999 /2000 I was paid by my employer offshore for time spent working abroad. This is a legit tax avoidance trick. It was about £6000 I think. Can't really remember.

    Then in 2001 I bought a house in the UK and transfered the money - all but £100 - into the UK. I didn't think about it until about a year or so later when I realised I wasn't allowed to do that wihtout paying tax. What I don't know is whether I wasn't allowed to bring in the total amount without paying tax or just the interest so I don't know how big my boo-boo is.

    The account lay dormant for 6 years and was recently closed down. The £100 was paid into my UK bank account. Pat of this of course was interest.

    So I know I've been a bad girl and am now worried that I woudl have to pay 40% tax on the entire amount, which could not come at a worse time as I don't have it!

    So my questions are:
    do I owe tax on all the amount or just the interest?
    what are the chances that I will be investigated as it is more than 5 years ago and I am non-domiciled and teh accoutn doesn't exist anymore. Slight fear that the £100 transfer due to closure of account might trigger something.

    If I put the £100 into my 2006-2007 return, which I am happy to do, will that waken sleeping dogs?

    Any thoughts welcome!
    I love it when a plan comes together :rotfl:
  • MSE_Martin
    MSE_Martin Posts: 8,268 Money Saving Expert
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    Just on the issue of the use of the word 'amnesty' - I agree that technically it's not an amnesty. Yet I think its a useful headline word to make the point and get people to think about the time clause. This isn't really an MSE type subject, hence there's no detailed note - i read it in the Sunday Times and thought it'd make a useful little 'be careful note' and ask MSE Wendy to draft it based on that.

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  • alison
    alison Posts: 9 Forumite
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    I'm really muddled now! I have had a holiday home in Spain for 9 years and have always paid the taxes over there which were due, including implied rentals, although we never did rent. Unfortunately my husband died and I am now considering advertising the apartment for rent, so I can pay for it's upkeep.

    I have spoken to several people. Some say they declare their income and pay tax in the UK, not in Spain. Other people have told me that I have to pay in Spain. It would be far easier for me to do it in the UK as I can understand the forms!!

    What should I do?
  • dazchief wrote: »
    As a holiday homeowner abroad, I have property in spain, and have paid spanish taxes, exempting me to pay taxes here due to the dual tax agreement.

    Not sure if I still need to let the tax man in the UK know that I have paid the taxes in Spain, though I guess if they are sharing information, they probably already know this?.

    Can anyone advise?

    I have owned a house in Spain for 4 years and must admit the tax payment seemed confusing. I have paid 'wealth tax' in Spain, this has been sorted out by my solicitor over there and is a tax on the value of the property. I understood tax was to be paid in the country in which it is earnt so as all my bookings have been taken in UK, and paid for in sterling I have given my accountant details of income and expenditure and he has worked out what I have to pay. I can't be 100% sure that what I am doing is correct but it seems impossible to find exact advice.
  • The tax amnesty doesn't affect the tens of thousands of people living in the UK who were not born here or whose fathers weren't born here.

    They have a permanent tax amnesty, being able to avoid millions in tax and capital gains tax which *we* have to pay.

    These are not just millionaires making gifts to political parties, but in fact anyone who can claim to be "resident but not domiciled in the UK" - accountants, pharmacists, doctors, convenience store owners.

    There were articles in “The Observer” about this before the budget, lobbying the Chancellor to close the loophole (which he didn’t), and I have a file of articles about it going back some years.

    This is so blatant there’s even been a small ad in “Private Eye” magazine from a firm of accountants specialising in offering this tax avoidance method.

    The fact is that the Chancellor and the other political parties won't do anything about closing this tax loophole because they get a lot of it in contributions to their political campaigns.
  • Cook_County
    Cook_County Posts: 3,096 Forumite
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    dazchief wrote: »
    As a holiday homeowner abroad, I have property in spain, and have paid spanish taxes, exempting me to pay taxes here due to the dual tax agreement.

    Not sure if I still need to let the tax man in the UK know that I have paid the taxes in Spain, though I guess if they are sharing information, they probably already know this?.

    Can anyone advise?

    You are incorrect. The UK is required under the tax treaty to give credit for Spanish tax on the doubly taxed rental income. The treaty does not exempt the income from UK tax or waive reporting in the UK.

    You should file amended UK returns reporting rental income/expenses on the foreign pages of your UK return along with the claim for Spanish tax credits.

    Failure to comply is considered tax evasion.
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