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Confused, you bet

My wife and I are due to retire in 3 years (although I have just stopped work I have enough savings to get thro to 65). Having been sold (and misold) a collection of Phased Retirement plan, personal pensions, FSAVC, stakeholder and SERPS my wife and I should have I value of around £500,000 between us. (Split approx £150000 wife and 350000 me) This is in addition to a £3500 pa forces pension I am currently receiving.

Looking at it simply I am sure I could invest this money safe in bank accounts and receive at least 5.5% interest and still retain the capital. Or buy a couple of flats and live on the rent. This would be enough for us, but can it be done.??

Unfortunately my last IFA misold me (proven) and has not spoken to me since, and another IFA whom I contacted through a web site spent over an hour and a half on the phone telling me how rich he was and that I should buy a field!! I also received a SIPPs pack from Hargreaves Lownd but that does not seem to apply to me.

I would be grateful for any advice as I seem to be going around in circles and
I am loathe to just hand over my hard earned money to an insurance company who looking at it would only give me around 6% and they get the capital.
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  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 120,009 Forumite
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    Looking at it simply I am sure I could invest this money safe in bank accounts and receive at least 5.5% interest and still retain the capital.

    Of course you wont always get 5.5%. It will be subject to tax (and possible removing of age allowance) and your money will be going down in value in real terms.
    Or buy a couple of flats and live on the rent.

    Rental yields are low and the income is subject to income tax and any growth in capital value will be subject to capital gains tax on disposal.
    I would be grateful for any advice as I seem to be going around in circles and
    I am loathe to just hand over my hard earned money to an insurance company who looking at it would only give me around 6% and they get the capital.

    You should invest it in a manner that is appropriate to your risk profile but at the same time sensible and logical. Cash deposits are low risk but not sensible as inflation would ravish them (giving the equivalant of a stockmarket crash in real terms every 5 years). Property; you missed the boat and the returns wouldnt match the risk.

    A decent sector allocated portfolio built for income and your risk profile would suffice. It may not be the flash option but simple things usually work.
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
  • Thanks for the advice. Do I keep the capital?
  • Thanks for the advice. Do I have to set up a sipp to retain the capital?
  • EdInvestor
    EdInvestor Posts: 15,749 Forumite
    santamed wrote:
    Having been sold (and misold) a collection of Phased Retirement plan, personal pensions, FSAVC, stakeholder and SERPS my wife and I should have I value of around £500,000 between us. (Split approx £150000 wife and 350000 me) .Looking at it simply I am sure I could invest this money safe in bank accounts and receive at least 5.5% interest and still retain the capital. Or buy a couple of flats and live on the rent. This would be enough for us, but can it be done.??

    No.The money is all in pensions, so it has to be invested in shares,bonds,commercial property or funds investing in these assets.If in a SIPP there is a cash option but usually the interest rate is not terribly competitive.
    I also received a SIPPs pack from Hargreaves Lownd but that does not seem to apply to me.

    Why do you think that?
    I am loathe to just hand over my hard earned money to an insurance company who looking at it would only give me around 6% and they get the capital.

    if you don't want an annuity the alternative is income drawdown and that is usually arranged in a SIPP. You retain the capital insofar as the pot of money is still there invested and providing an income, but you can't take the capital out of the pension. Though if you or your wife die in drawdown under age 75, the survivor can take the fund in cash minus 35% tax.
    Trying to keep it simple...;)
  • jamesd
    jamesd Posts: 26,103 Forumite
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    Where are the savings? Have you taken the 25% tax-free sum from any portion of any pension yet? The reason I'm asking is that ISA income is tax free and doesn't count towards age allowance reduction that happens at income between 20k and 25k, producing an effective tax rate of 33% in that range.

    If you were planning to live on ISA money, it's worth considering taking the lump-sum from some pension and living on that instead of ISA. It's also worth trying to invest the maximum 7000 a year ISA allowance for both of you. This way you end up with a greater part of your income from the ISAs and not affecting age allowance.

    You should evaluate a short annuity for living expenses since you have the capital and the annuity will have some tax breaks associated with it to help it pay more than just drawing on the cash. It may not be best but it's worth checking.

    Income drawdown when retired is one way but your fund size can generate an income of over 17500 plus your other pension and for your wife 7500 (assuming a cautious 5% drawdown rate).

    What you really need to do is find a good IFA with retirement planning qualification. If you can I suggest one who uses the New Model Adviser (NMA) income model because that one gives them an incentive to look to the long term instead of the short.

    You're going to have enough income that tax efficiency will matter and you won't get sufficiently good guidance for your situation here, mostly because few people who will comment know enough about the tax shielding products, dunstonh and the other pros being exceptions.
  • EdInvestor
    EdInvestor Posts: 15,749 Forumite
    Rereading the OP's post, it's not clear how the money is being held - in pensions or outside.Perhaps he could clarify.
    Trying to keep it simple...;)
  • The savings are all in unit trust ISAs which I was planning to cash in to get me to age 65/wife 60.
  • EdInvestor
    EdInvestor Posts: 15,749 Forumite
    What happens when you get to 65? Do other pensions kick in?

    You plan to spend the ISA savings over the 5 year period? How much do you spend a year?
    Trying to keep it simple...;)
  • to age 65. On todays prices the selling price for my ISAs unit trusts is just under 70,000 (plus depreciating interest over 3 years) plus my forces pension of £3500pa. Should give me at least 28000 per annum for next 3 years.
  • dunstonh
    dunstonh Posts: 120,009 Forumite
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    Rather than "cash" the ISAs in, it may make better financial sense to commence the pensions early and keep the ISAs for tax free income (assuming pensions are not occupational).
    I am an Independent Financial Adviser (IFA). The comments I make are just my opinion and are for discussion purposes only. They are not financial advice and you should not treat them as such. If you feel an area discussed may be relevant to you, then please seek advice from an Independent Financial Adviser local to you.
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