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Newsnight: Quantitative Easing

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..... aka Money Printing.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00fz1df/b00fz1dc/Newsnight_04_12_2008/


Are you a saver? Annoyed with getting less interest for your hard earned savings?

How about if your savings were to become worth less every day .... that's what's going to happen very shortly as the government starts to print money out of thin air.

Interesting discussion - seems that it's rapidly becoming mainstream opinion now that money will be printed. Also, the most optimistic forecasts are putting any sort of recovery in 2010 at the earliest.
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Every pound less borrowed (to buy a house) is more than two pounds less to repay and more than three pounds less to earn, over the course of a typical mortgage.
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  • Lotus-eater
    Lotus-eater Posts: 10,789 Forumite
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    Thanks for posting the translation, I was wondering what it meant :)
    It does sound like some scientific way, of working out how to adjust your underpants.

    Yes my savings are getting less interest. Trouble is I don't want to buy anything, I have everything I need!
    I'm obviously ecstatic that they might well become worth even less.


    ps I'm sick of seeing Karen Matthews.........
    Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
  • alared
    alared Posts: 4,029 Forumite
    They had three "experts" on the program and they all had different opinions on what may happen and how to fix things.
    Personally I don`t think the government have a clue and seem to be clutching at straws.
    For years Brown taxed us to the hilt and wasted the money.
    Now money`s no problem he can borrow as muich as needed.
    Trouble is it`s all go to be paid back long after he`s cleared off to write his memoirs,that no doubt some idiots will pay a fortune for.
  • dopester
    dopester Posts: 4,890 Forumite
    !!!!!!? wrote: »
    Interesting discussion - seems that it's rapidly becoming mainstream opinion now that money will be printed. Also, the most optimistic forecasts are putting any sort of recovery in 2010 at the earliest.

    You could be right.. but just because mainstream newspapers and vested interest commentators are pushing it - doesn't guarantee it will happen.

    I don't deny it is a danger, but am hoping the costs of such reinflation will be seen to not be worth it, early in the process - therefore limiting the damage and allowing for deflation to take place.

    And I think too many people underestimate the power of the market.
    When the news is bad and apt to get worse you cannot draw your bearings about the economy or the market from channels of mass communications.

    This is a game that President Hoover, in retirement, described as "sustaining the morale of the people."

    In spite of these often well-intended gestures, the economy will shift into a contraction that the government will be powerless to abate. Asset prices, especially real estate and stock, will tumble. Credit will contract.

    Governments hungry for reelection will panic as the asset contraction gathers force. Their first response will be an attempt to counter the contraction with easy money.

    The bad debts of all large borrowers could be added to the government's balance sheet. Central banks could essentially become national pawn shops - economy wide holding companies of insolvent institutions. They could end up owning many banks, perhaps some insurance companies, and a great deal of real estate.

    We do not know how long this first state will last, because we do not know how concerted and reckless the government's attempt to rescue bad debts will be. The assumption that it will go to extremes permeates the financial life of the United States as well as other advanced democracies. But this assumption is based upon promises intended to forestall a credit collapse.

    Once such a collapse has clearly begun, authorities will probably move to minimise the damage in a bad situation by abandoning the attempt to pay every bad debt. But they will not back down until the market has shown them that they must.

    Few will be persuaded by the arguments that deflation would be less costly than runaway inflation. These arguments will have to be proven by the markets.

    Paradoxically, that is more apt to happen when the markets are focusing on the dangers of inflation. Therefore, you can expect that fears and alarms about pending inflation will be on everyone's lips, even as deflation takes hold.

    The newspapers are likely to run page one headlines about inflationary actions. Analysts who closely follow central bank policy will warn of debasement of the currency and Latin American style inflation.

    - James Dale Davidson (1994)
  • SGE1
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    Surely it doesn't just matter whether or how much we print - but also how other OECD countries react to the recession, and whether or how much they decide to print as well?
  • hethmar
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    Have to say, Ive never btl but now with my savings earning little interest, investments shot and house prices falling, ditto interest rates - it does make me wonder if a btl would be a sound investment shortly.
  • alared
    alared Posts: 4,029 Forumite
    I`ve always said that if you can have a ten year boom,then there`s nothing to stop a ten year bust.

    Mrs Thatcher once famously said "you can`t buck the markets" and I think she was right!
  • SGE1
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    alared wrote: »
    For years Brown taxed us to the hilt

    Factually incorrect. Check http://www.worldwide-tax.com/ - in fact, the UK sits pretty comfortably in the middle of the rest of the OECD countries, when comparing tax rates.
  • SGE1
    SGE1 Posts: 784 Forumite
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    alared wrote: »
    I`ve always said that if you can have a ten year boom,then there`s nothing to stop a ten year bust.

    Oh you've always said so have you? If only we'd listened to you eh?
    :rotfl:
  • Really2
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    SGE1 wrote: »
    Factually incorrect. Check http://www.worldwide-tax.com/ - in fact, the UK sits pretty comfortably in the middle of the rest of the OECD countries, when comparing tax rates.

    You have seem to miss out indirect tax.

    Council Tax, TV Licence, Petrol, Deisel, stamp duty, beer, etc, etc, etc.
  • dopester
    dopester Posts: 4,890 Forumite
    hethmar wrote: »
    Have to say, Ive never btl but now with my savings earning little interest, investments shot and house prices falling, ditto interest rates - it does make me wonder if a btl would be a sound investment shortly.

    Yes. Maybe a great idea to make sure a purchase as the threat of deflation threatens to take house prices and wage levels back to 1970 prices.

    If the threat to savers is having the value of their money wiped out with an inflationary solution... then that is the opposite threat that comes with the real deflationary forces weighing down on the entire system.
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