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OK... debt diary of a new mum!
foreversomeday
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Hi all,
I posted a thread last night and have decided I will try to do a proper SOA now and see if I can get some help sorting everything out. I am finding it so confusing that I just want to give up but I know that's not the best way to do things.
A little background first.
My DF has never been very good with money. He is impulsive and tends to buy now and think about where to borrow the money to pay with later. His pattern tends to be that he will keep pushing his account to the limit, extend his overdraft to deal with it and then get a loan to pay it off when it begins to scare him, usually getting the loan from the quickest and easiest place to do so - Lloyds, his bank. Of course the loan is at a higher rate than the interest on the overdraft would have been, but because his bank is in credit again he thinks it is under control.
Then he met me
I'm not particularly brilliant with money, but I hate being in debt and having debts I don't feel I can pay back scares me so I tend to push my account to its limit and then just not spend any more money at all. The difference is that I want to change and cut back and he doesn't seem to want to do that.
Basically out of two money situations;
A: Having a bank balance of £10 with no overdraft,
and
B: Having a bank balance of £-250 with a £400 overdraft,
I would feel much more secure with A and he would feel much more secure with B. In fact he would feel quite panicky with situation A and I would feel quite panicky about situation B. This is the problem!
I also find it very difficult to explain to him how certain things work. I am quite mathematically minded and he isn't, so if I explain that paying £25 a month for £500 interest free on his overdraft does not in fact save him any money at all, he doesn't seem to want to know - I don't know whether this is related to his male pride being dented that a female knows better than him or because he just likes being right even when he is proved wrong! I suspect he may listen if a male friend pointed this particular point out but for the moment he's stuck with me so never mind! :rotfl:
So far the steps I/we have taken towards being debt free are:
- Tried to speak to DF about money (didn't go very well because I find it difficult to explain in a way he understands and he just gets frustrated that I am not bringing in a wage so tends to get angry when we try and talk about money.)
- Apply for all benefits and tax credits we are eligible for but previously thought were too much hassle, or didn't realise we were entitled to.
- Change the car for one with cheaper insurance, and which is more economical and practical. Not very moneysaving initially but I think it will save us money in the long run.
- Start a thread here for support!
And still to do is:
- Work out a full S.O.A and post it here.
- Work out how much our bills etc are each month and what we should be expecting as at the moment they are all over the place and I have no idea what is paid when and how much it is.
- Open a current account in my name to deal with the household bills, as I will be at home all day.
- Find a way to pay off the overdrafts we have and stop the ridiculous interest which is causing us to pay bank charges.
- Reclaim all bank charges or at least try to.
- Find a way to talk to DF about money without him feeling I am lecturing him like his mum does, and that he understands.
In the short term we have borrowed money using the overdraft(s) and used quite a bit of this months' bills money to get the new (well, used!) car sorted. This sounds drastic and was probably not the best way to go about it, but it was a very good deal and will definitely be worth it in the long term. But we need to get enough money by the end of the month to pay off the next big bill which is scheduled to come out. We are at the limit so DF is panicking although I can see it is just about under control. I am worried that if it takes too long to get something sorted he will "fix" the problem himself by getting quick cash from Lloyds or a loan shark which will make everything much worse so I want to ideally find something to sort our immediate problems by the end of the week, although he is talking about it being sorted today. :eek:
I have just emailed him asking for a list of DDs and SOs which come out of the account and when they do as these are likely to be the unavoidable costs or the ones we will incur charges if we miss.
Oh and the title is in reference to the baby which is due at the end of September amongst all this chaos! I know it will take longer than a couple of months to sort so by the time it is sorted I might not even be a new mum any more but a rather more experienced one!
I posted a thread last night and have decided I will try to do a proper SOA now and see if I can get some help sorting everything out. I am finding it so confusing that I just want to give up but I know that's not the best way to do things.
A little background first.
My DF has never been very good with money. He is impulsive and tends to buy now and think about where to borrow the money to pay with later. His pattern tends to be that he will keep pushing his account to the limit, extend his overdraft to deal with it and then get a loan to pay it off when it begins to scare him, usually getting the loan from the quickest and easiest place to do so - Lloyds, his bank. Of course the loan is at a higher rate than the interest on the overdraft would have been, but because his bank is in credit again he thinks it is under control.
Then he met me
Basically out of two money situations;
A: Having a bank balance of £10 with no overdraft,
and
B: Having a bank balance of £-250 with a £400 overdraft,
I would feel much more secure with A and he would feel much more secure with B. In fact he would feel quite panicky with situation A and I would feel quite panicky about situation B. This is the problem!
I also find it very difficult to explain to him how certain things work. I am quite mathematically minded and he isn't, so if I explain that paying £25 a month for £500 interest free on his overdraft does not in fact save him any money at all, he doesn't seem to want to know - I don't know whether this is related to his male pride being dented that a female knows better than him or because he just likes being right even when he is proved wrong! I suspect he may listen if a male friend pointed this particular point out but for the moment he's stuck with me so never mind! :rotfl:
So far the steps I/we have taken towards being debt free are:
- Tried to speak to DF about money (didn't go very well because I find it difficult to explain in a way he understands and he just gets frustrated that I am not bringing in a wage so tends to get angry when we try and talk about money.)
- Apply for all benefits and tax credits we are eligible for but previously thought were too much hassle, or didn't realise we were entitled to.
- Change the car for one with cheaper insurance, and which is more economical and practical. Not very moneysaving initially but I think it will save us money in the long run.
- Start a thread here for support!
And still to do is:
- Work out a full S.O.A and post it here.
- Work out how much our bills etc are each month and what we should be expecting as at the moment they are all over the place and I have no idea what is paid when and how much it is.
- Open a current account in my name to deal with the household bills, as I will be at home all day.
- Find a way to pay off the overdrafts we have and stop the ridiculous interest which is causing us to pay bank charges.
- Reclaim all bank charges or at least try to.
- Find a way to talk to DF about money without him feeling I am lecturing him like his mum does, and that he understands.
In the short term we have borrowed money using the overdraft(s) and used quite a bit of this months' bills money to get the new (well, used!) car sorted. This sounds drastic and was probably not the best way to go about it, but it was a very good deal and will definitely be worth it in the long term. But we need to get enough money by the end of the month to pay off the next big bill which is scheduled to come out. We are at the limit so DF is panicking although I can see it is just about under control. I am worried that if it takes too long to get something sorted he will "fix" the problem himself by getting quick cash from Lloyds or a loan shark which will make everything much worse so I want to ideally find something to sort our immediate problems by the end of the week, although he is talking about it being sorted today. :eek:
I have just emailed him asking for a list of DDs and SOs which come out of the account and when they do as these are likely to be the unavoidable costs or the ones we will incur charges if we miss.
Oh and the title is in reference to the baby which is due at the end of September amongst all this chaos! I know it will take longer than a couple of months to sort so by the time it is sorted I might not even be a new mum any more but a rather more experienced one!
I don't believe and I never did that two wrongs make a right
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Right - have sorted out the card to pay off the overdraft, not sure what kind of credit limit we will get on that but at least it is part of the way there.
Now I have to get down to this SOA, but it is confusing me - should I bother doing one for now or should I just focus on planning for after the baby is born? We will have different income then - Child benefit etc and extra tax credits to what we are eligible for now. I could post an SOA of our current situation but is it worth it when it will be changing soon? What do you think?I don't believe and I never did that two wrongs make a right0 -
If i were you I would get child benefit and tax credits into your account.
Have you brought everything baby needs? AS nct sales, carboost and ebay good for bargain baby finds, also ikea very good too to deck out nursury very cheaply, wish I had brought Ikea highchair.
Remember to sign up for boots/tesco parenting club for freebies and money off vouchers also pampers and huggies clubs online but tbh its so much chepaer to use cloth!
As for food breastfeedings cheaper but clinic used to do cheap formula and baby food brough chepa blender and pureed like a phycho!
Maybe money saved then could go towards debt, kids are pricey but you
can make savings.
Will you get maternity pay?pad by xmas2010 £14,636.65/£20,000::beer:
Pay off as much as I can 2011 £15008.02/£15,000:j
new grocery challenge £200/£250 feb
KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON:D,Onwards and upward2013:)0 -
foreversomeday wrote: »Right - have sorted out the card to pay off the overdraft, not sure what kind of credit limit we will get on that but at least it is part of the way there.
Now I have to get down to this SOA, but it is confusing me - should I bother doing one for now or should I just focus on planning for after the baby is born? We will have different income then - Child benefit etc and extra tax credits to what we are eligible for now. I could post an SOA of our current situation but is it worth it when it will be changing soon? What do you think?
Do one now... don't leave it any longer... you can never start planning too soon for when the little one arrives (congrat btw)
http://www.makesenseofcards.com/soacalc.html0 -
Hiya! I think do one which takes the baby into account, but try and reign in as much as you can meanwhile / save / payoff as much as you can before the baby expenses come!
I haven't read your post in detail as I'm at work, so skim reading everything, but I just wanted to say welcome!! My DH is exactly the same with the overdraft thing, and I think with him it's definatley a combination of male pride and head in sand. Thankfully we've worked the 2 out, and now we're pretty much of the same mind financially:D
I'll type more tomorrow when I'm the only one in the office in the morning!! Have a good evening, BF xxPersonal challenge: Do without as much as possible to pay off £12k by 07/2009!!!:T
Bluejeans Challenge: Spend less - Eat less! Need to lose [STRIKE]4 [/STRIKE] 2.5 stone (:eek:) then maintain until my concert in Dec!!
Cady's jam jar challenge.. how much will be in the pot?!
Budget: a mathematical confirmation of your suspicions.0 -
Thank you

We have got almost everything now. I definitely want to breastfeed and have surrounded myself with lots of support so am determined not to give up, and we haven't gone too mad buying clothes - we actually only have 1 thing in newborn size because I thought everyone would buy that and if not ... a baby isn't going to mind if its clothes are slightly too big! I was tiny when I was born and premature clothing was really expensive to buy then and not widely available so I am sure he will be fine! We have also been offered some washable nappies so hoping to use those at least part time to reduce nappy costs. The rest of the stuff we may need will be covered by the Sure Start grant although we can't apply for that until the baby has been born.
I will be getting Maternity Allowance, in fact although I am not due for another month or so I have applied for it already as the pregnancy brain kicked in and made concentrating on AQA a nightmare. The MA hasn't come through yet though. I have spoken to AQA and they are terminating my contract but keeping my details on file so I can return when the MA ends. I can work out though roughly how much we will get in child tax credit.
I think I may have a lie down for an hour or so before I try to do an SOA as I am so tired - we spent the weekend with our friends who have a 7 week old baby for practice!!! Then DF decided to run around and buy this new car so I have to sort out the finances before they really get bad... but an hour will be fine I think
I don't believe and I never did that two wrongs make a right0 -
I'd say do the SOA now as well (or whenever you feel up to it, of course!). There are lots of things like council tax & utilities which won't change much, and if you have the figures to hand when the baby is here, it will be much easier to adjust them than to try to start from scratch.
I think you are absolutely right not buying too many clothes. Do you have an NCT branch near you - ours does a huge Nearly New sale, and you can find loads of baby clothes there.0 -
Morning! Carboots are fantastic for great branded baby clothes

xxPersonal challenge: Do without as much as possible to pay off £12k by 07/2009!!!:T
Bluejeans Challenge: Spend less - Eat less! Need to lose [STRIKE]4 [/STRIKE] 2.5 stone (:eek:) then maintain until my concert in Dec!!
Cady's jam jar challenge.. how much will be in the pot?!
Budget: a mathematical confirmation of your suspicions.0 -
You can apply for your surestart grant from 29 weeks pregnant. You dont have to wait till babies bornMad Mum to 3 wonderful children, 2 foster kittens and 2 big fat cats that never made it to a new home!
Aiming to loose 56 pounds this year. Total to date 44.5 pounds 12.5 to go. Slimming World Rocks!0 -
Hi all,
I have managed to do some of an SOA for after the baby is born and have actually breathed a sigh of relief as it is much better than I expected it to look.
tyllwd, I went to one NCT sale in July but our next one here is 2 days before my due date! I am debating whether to send someone in for me but in fact I might just get my mum to drive me there on the day and see how long I can last, depending how I feel on the day of course! I think we are fine though for clothes now - we have just been given a load of newborn stuff from friends whose baby has just grown out of it. There are just a few things left that we need now.
narabanekeater, only in certain circumstances. We only qualify for the grant because we will qualify for the higher rate of child tax credit, and we can't apply for that until we have got our child benefit number through, which you have to send off the birth certificate for. I have checked this with the benefits office as well and they confirmed that the claim will have to wait until after the baby is born.
Anyway, onto my SOA! This is for after the baby is born and only includes essentials. I have made notes as well.
SOA - monthly.
Incomings
Regular wages: £933.10 - DF also gets comission and bonuses so this can go up.
MA: £503.87
Child Tax Credit (Low): £177.51 - Based on last years' income, likely to get this one and get a rebate.
Child Tax Credit (High): £385.19 - Based on 08/09 income which I have worked out accurately as MA will be my only source of income until mid April 09. Will only change if DF changes his job which could happen. I think we can ask DWP to recalculate based on this year's income, but then would have to pay back if it turned out to be higher.
Child Benefit: £80.84
Housing Benefit: £217.24 - Estimated figure. Apparently it can change monthly as well because there is a new system in place.
Total (Low) £1912.56
Total (High) £2120.24
Outgoings
Rent: £600 - From beginning of October.
Gas/Electricity: £35 - Currently paying £25 DD but I think it is higher.
Council Tax: £107
Phone Bill: £20 - This is likely to go down as our lodger makes lots of daytime calls to mobiles.
Internet: £35 - Locked into a contract plus DF will only settle for the fastest speed.
Loan repayments: £275
Car Insurance: £75 - Due for renewal in March, hopefully can persuade him to change insurer and save money!
TV Licence: £13
Bank Charge: £25 - Fee for account, not bank charges. Again trying to convice DF we don't need this but he thinks we do.
Petrol: £150 - At a rough idea. He pays for fuel which he uses for work which I have asked him to claim back but he won't speak to his boss about it.
Mobile Phones: £40 - Again an estimate. DF uses his phone a lot, me not so much.
Food: £150 - I think this is probably nearer £200 based on the assumption of £25 per week per person, but DF thinks that sounds too much. We could probably live on £150 per month for groceries.
Total: £1520
Total left over: +£392.56
Obviously this doesn't include non essentials, and there are a few things I haven't factored in, which are:
- Repayments on credit card we are getting to pay off overdrafts. (Min £5 p/m but preferably more)
- Water bills - we haven't ever had a water bill and we have no idea what to expect to pay.
- Home contents insurance - which is less than £100 a year, I think.
- Car tax, MOT & service.
- Emergency fund? Probably better to pay off CC first.
- Clothes for us and baby. At the moment we buy as and when so don't have a particular allowance.
- Grocery bill I think we could and should allow more for.
- Takeaways, DF's lunches at work (he says he will start making sandwiches again soon) and eating out (though we won't get to do much of that!)
- Socialising/Leisure - for me this includes bus fares as I don't drive, and probably will amount to 2 or 3 coffee meetings a week with baby, possibly a trip to the shops, swimming, etc. For DF, after baby will probably be alcohol at home with friends occasionally, seeing friends or going for a drink after work, and then any costs of us doing things together at the weekend which are likely to be low at first as we are getting used to parenting. Also DVDs - rented or bought.
We don't read papers or magazines, we don't smoke, we tend to use the library for books, I can't think of anything else but it's entirely possible I've missed something out so please suggest anything else!
I'm interested now so am going to do an SOA of our current situation to see why we are in a mess as we seem fairly comfortable after baby.I don't believe and I never did that two wrongs make a right0 -
Just an update. We have been rejected for the 0% credit card and as it was the Post Office I doubt we will be eligible for anything else. DF is going to apply for a loan through his bank at 19% APR over 5 years
We don't have time to explore any cheaper options unfortunately, only time to go for the one we can afford.
Going to probably have to do an SOA month by month now because I've heard on the grapevine there is a backlog of MA and mine might not come through for months! I don't know what we will do then - we will be completely screwed.
I just don't understand why it all looks so good post baby when it is such a mess now! Going to phone the DWP and see if they know anything about how long MA is likely to take.I don't believe and I never did that two wrongs make a right0
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