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From the other side.....experience of a debt collector
louise1234_2
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Hi, I'd just like to share my experience from the other side - I work in the debt collection department of a bank.
Firstly, being polite and honest always helps - shouting, crying, venting all your frustration will only annoy the debt collector. As will demanding sympathy, over-apologising, threatning to commit suicide and repeating your sob story over in they missed it the 8th time.
Promising things you can't deliver also pointless. And will reflect badly on you the next time. (In this case there will be a next time). If you don't get paid until the end of the month, don't say you will pay it tomorrow. So many people also promise more than they can afford, and then get so offended when you imply they can't afford it.
When discussing your bank account, complaining about charges then refusing to listen/saying you already know how to avoid charges is a sure fire way to lose your card, cheque book, standing orders and direct debits. As is admitting you used card/ cheque book knowing there was no money in your account. Admitting you made a mistake/can't count/forgot to check balance/didn't realise money hadn't gone in is acceptable, as long as you are now aware of the mistake. These things happen.
Customers who think they can emotionally blackmail the bank into paying their mortgage/car insurance are also very common, and get the standard answer - if you want it paid, put money in your account. Customers also need to read terms and conditions of the accounts they open, money can be transferred to cover other debts with same bank without telling you. The bank can cancel facilties (card, chq book, etc including overdraft) on your account at any time, but usually only does this in severe cases. Lots of people complain about this, then admit they just signed when opening the account. The moral being read the small print before complaining the bank can't do that.
Most companies allow debts to be paid off over up to six months, if you can offer the debt collector an amount that will be paid off in six months, usually they will accept and no more questions will be asked.
If you can't afford the amount over six month they are likely to want a financial statement. At this point all the prying into your affairs starts. You will be expected to reduce all your outgoings as far as possible. Most common luxuries are Sky/cable, mobiles, high food bills, cars, going out, gambling, alcohol etc... it is amazing that some people think sky & drink are essential expenditure. We also check customers are claiming all benefits they are entitled to, and refer to CAB if in any doubt.
Unsecured creditors are reasonable as they know your mortgage, council tax, etc comes first. If you have lots of creditors, the money you have left after paying your necessary expenses should be pro-rata'd amongst your creditors. So company you owe £500 to gets half what company you owe £1000 to gets. At this stage a debt consolidation laon is sometimes offered.
They will not make any plans with you if you cannot afford it, after looking at your financial statement. You will be referred to CAB or CCCS/Payplan depending on your circumstances. (CCCS/Payplan only take people who can make pymts, albeit reduced). Again it is frightening how many people try to insist on paying what they cannot afford. We always refuse if the customer cannot afford it.
After all that if no plans are made, the account will be closed & defaulted. (Varies between lenders, anywhere from 2 to 8 months).
Just trying to get across not all debt collectors are the enemy!
If you are polite they will do their best to work with you and help you out.
Firstly, being polite and honest always helps - shouting, crying, venting all your frustration will only annoy the debt collector. As will demanding sympathy, over-apologising, threatning to commit suicide and repeating your sob story over in they missed it the 8th time.
Promising things you can't deliver also pointless. And will reflect badly on you the next time. (In this case there will be a next time). If you don't get paid until the end of the month, don't say you will pay it tomorrow. So many people also promise more than they can afford, and then get so offended when you imply they can't afford it.
When discussing your bank account, complaining about charges then refusing to listen/saying you already know how to avoid charges is a sure fire way to lose your card, cheque book, standing orders and direct debits. As is admitting you used card/ cheque book knowing there was no money in your account. Admitting you made a mistake/can't count/forgot to check balance/didn't realise money hadn't gone in is acceptable, as long as you are now aware of the mistake. These things happen.
Customers who think they can emotionally blackmail the bank into paying their mortgage/car insurance are also very common, and get the standard answer - if you want it paid, put money in your account. Customers also need to read terms and conditions of the accounts they open, money can be transferred to cover other debts with same bank without telling you. The bank can cancel facilties (card, chq book, etc including overdraft) on your account at any time, but usually only does this in severe cases. Lots of people complain about this, then admit they just signed when opening the account. The moral being read the small print before complaining the bank can't do that.
Most companies allow debts to be paid off over up to six months, if you can offer the debt collector an amount that will be paid off in six months, usually they will accept and no more questions will be asked.
If you can't afford the amount over six month they are likely to want a financial statement. At this point all the prying into your affairs starts. You will be expected to reduce all your outgoings as far as possible. Most common luxuries are Sky/cable, mobiles, high food bills, cars, going out, gambling, alcohol etc... it is amazing that some people think sky & drink are essential expenditure. We also check customers are claiming all benefits they are entitled to, and refer to CAB if in any doubt.
Unsecured creditors are reasonable as they know your mortgage, council tax, etc comes first. If you have lots of creditors, the money you have left after paying your necessary expenses should be pro-rata'd amongst your creditors. So company you owe £500 to gets half what company you owe £1000 to gets. At this stage a debt consolidation laon is sometimes offered.
They will not make any plans with you if you cannot afford it, after looking at your financial statement. You will be referred to CAB or CCCS/Payplan depending on your circumstances. (CCCS/Payplan only take people who can make pymts, albeit reduced). Again it is frightening how many people try to insist on paying what they cannot afford. We always refuse if the customer cannot afford it.
After all that if no plans are made, the account will be closed & defaulted. (Varies between lenders, anywhere from 2 to 8 months).
Just trying to get across not all debt collectors are the enemy!
If you are polite they will do their best to work with you and help you out.
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Thanks Louise1234 for an interesting post.
Although i have only experienced it from the side of the one who is in debt, I still have to say I completely agree with you.
When I was honest with my creditors, they did their best to help me - so long as I made my repayments when I said I would. After a year of proving to my bank that I could still to the agreed repayments (after I had defaulted and not made any payments at all originally), my bank offered me a loan to cover re-finance my original loan with them, and my overdraft - and they kindly offered it to me with an APR of 2.3%, yes 2.3%!!! So for that i am eternally grateful.
Interesting post. Good to hear things from both side of the fence.
Ms_London0 -
it sounds like you work for a bank's internal collections department, rather than a dedicated debt collection agency. what i mean is that you are trying to nip problems in the bud, rather than receiving accounts several years (and x amount of defaulted arrangements and broken promises) down the line.
good post though. very imformative and to an extent comforting for those who are scared stiff of making that initial contact with creditors.0 -
The original creditors are always the best people to deal with, and should be contacted as soon as you forsee problems with your payments.
The real problems start when the debt is passed on to specialist collection agencies. I've had some real charmers on the line from that side of things.
The somewhat ironic thing is that full and final settlements are usually only accepted when it gets to that stage - the original creditors quite often do not want to know.
I think this bit is a little harsh -
" Firstly, being polite and honest always helps - shouting, crying, venting all your frustration will only annoy the debt collector. As will demanding sympathy, over-apologising, threatning to commit suicide and repeating your sob story over in they missed it the 8th time."
Yes, be polite, but some people are in such a state either because of the debt or the circumstances that led to the debt, that a lot of these actions occur as a consequence. I'd hope that trained advisors would be aware of this and be able to keep their own annoyance under control.0 -
louise1234 wrote:Hi, I'd just like to share my experience from the other side - I work in the debt collection department of a bank.
Firstly, being polite and honest always helps - shouting, crying, venting all your frustration will only annoy the debt collector. As will demanding sympathy, over-apologising, threatning to commit suicide and repeating your sob story over in they missed it the 8th time.
Good post Louise there are always two sides to an equation and it is interesting to see and learn from the creditors perspective. I see that over-apologising can be annoying and I think that I am gulity of that. However, would you expect a customer to express some regret for putting the bank into this position? Also, apart from being honest in my dealings with banks etc, if I was dealing with you, is there anything really positive that I can do to get you on my side and really wanting to help me out?0 -
Dammam wrote:
I think this bit is a little harsh -
" Firstly, being polite and honest always helps - shouting, crying, venting all your frustration will only annoy the debt collector. As will demanding sympathy, over-apologising, threatning to commit suicide and repeating your sob story over in they missed it the 8th time."
Yes, be polite, but some people are in such a state either because of the debt or the circumstances that led to the debt, that a lot of these actions occur as a consequence. I'd hope that trained advisors would be aware of this and be able to keep their own annoyance under control.
I can see that looks a bit harsh what I said
. Don't worry, I'm not harsh on customers in real life :A. Being upset is understandable, so is expressing anger and frustration, if you can listen to the other side.
But some people take things to far..... eg someone took out a large loan (over 15k) because her dad died, as he was an African prince he had to have a funeral fit for a prince. He had no assets, so she took out a loan and choose to spend all her money elsewhere rather than pay back her loan. Then the bank is being horrible and unsympathetic asking why she hasn't paid the loan!
Everyone quotes the banks profits and says the bank can afford to write off their loan/ account!
I've heard some horror stories of how debt collection agencies work. They pay only about 20% or so for the debts, so whatever else they get back is extra. They do generally freeze interest and accept reduced settlements, which is good for customers, but they are known to be very demanding and aggressive.0 -
Jedi_Master wrote:Good post Louise there are always two sides to an equation and it is interesting to see and learn from the creditors perspective. I see that over-apologising can be annoying and I think that I am gulity of that. However, would you expect a customer to express some regret for putting the bank into this position? Also, apart from being honest in my dealings with banks etc, if I was dealing with you, is there anything really positive that I can do to get you on my side and really wanting to help me out?
It helps so much when the customers are nice and willing to talk, and question everything they don't understand.
If you explain your situation, what you are doing about it & will pay it back asap - you'll get a positive response. Eg. I lost my job as a xyc, was unemployed for a few weeks then took a temp job stacking shelves to keep me going. I'm still looking for an job doing xyz, and have a few interviews. But I am really struggling now as my income has halved. Much better than people who say it's not their fault they are a single parent & don't have time to look after finances etc..
We have heard 1001 reasons why people have issues. Worryingly, the most common on is "There is no problem, I am only £500 over my limit/missed two payments on my loan" :wall:. We are not meant to judge, and it is good when people trust us with the real reasons - visting prostitutes/gambling/drinking etc.
I generally like customers make to make it clear they realise it has been an error/oversight/mistake on their part, and they'll try their best to avoid it in the future. That satisfies me, but some customers after agreeing a plan and confirming it start apologising again & again. It's just a minor irritation, much preferable than angry customers any day.:j0 -
great post, :T really helpful and stresses that honesty is the best answer, if you dont tell people the full situation how can you expect them to fully understand - this works for advice agencies too
I only have one niggling doubt, you say you check benefits and refer to CAB if unsure, What training to bank provide in benefits as it is a huge area? (and this is not a criticism i am just interested to know)Ready to Go Go!0 -
Really interesting post - well done louise!0
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I've had dealings with 3 debt collection agencies - all due to companies failing to honour the service contract and so terminating it early. In all cases the companies failed to respond to letters and so did the debt collection agencies. Talking to the agencies they said that they would not talk to the company about the debt and also kept sending letters saying that I was failing to respond.
Their stance seemed to be that they had the debt passed on but not the history and I either paid or got taken to court (which they wouldn't do even though I requested it) - didn't matter that debt was not valid (in one case the company actually owed me money).
In all cases the agencies refused meetings and said that they would continue calling and send people round without warning (first time they said this I tried to arrange a time but they said it would happen without warning - think they expected me to be intimidated). They would also seem happy to discuss things over the phone but not put anything in writing except that there was a debt outstanding.
Seems to keep going for about three years before they decide aren't going to get anything and agree to drop it.0 -
Thankyou Louise1234 for your valued contribution to this forum. If your bank sells on its debt who does it go to ? If you can't answer that then what can you say about the general selling on of debt.
J_B.0
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