Aktiv Kapital: The Continuation UPDATE

Harassed wrote:

Under the same user name (and writing style and content) you were barred from another debt help forum for trolling.

Back under your bridge (in Wales I believe)



No, I don't debate with trolls.

Sorry to sink to the same level , but I think Mr DC is obviously not getting any from Mrs DC at the moment and is a bit bored !

I wont even comment on anything else !

yes I am a debt collector and have been for many years

And you've been barred for trolling on TWO other debt help sites. I wonder why that was.

How long before you're barred on this one? This is my one and only response to you, I don't debate with trolls.

Tootsie_Roll wrote:

...At least I was always honest - yes I am a debt collector and have been for many years. I can give advice based upon 20+ years working in this sector. It may not always be what people want to hear but it will always be honest with no hidden agenda - can you say the same ?

Well, can we all just hold on a moment here and inject a little bit of balance and dare I say politeness back into the entire thread?

As an observer, who reads most of the threads here, I have to say that this one is about the most aggressive, argumentative and in places downright rude ones that I've yet read here - in places it rivals the political "debates" on Palestine and Israel! (I don't include you in that comment Tootsie Roll - not the reason I quoted you.)

Some dissenters, such as Tootsie Roll, have politely stated their interest - others are alleged to work in the debt collection industry.

Now, whatever the rights and wrongs of the arguments, is it not a fact that this is an industry with a serious public "image" problem (some might say that's always inevitable give what they do.)

It has a reputation in places for being exactly what you see at points in this thread - aggressive, threatening, brutal, populated in sometimes places by cowboys, and containing at least some borderline criminal elements. All of this has been exacerbated by TV shows such as Watchdog and Rogue Traders illustrating the worst elements.

On the counter side, you have professional people (and I include TR from what he's written) doing a job that, sad to say, needs to be done - and a difficult and thankless job it is too, to the best of their professional ability.

If people like TR want to join MSE and educate this community with the benefit of their expertise, then I'd say shouldn't we welcome that and learn from them?

Again on the converse side I would hope that TR would also see how harmful it is for new posters to arrive here who appear to be be professional DCs and who then lay into all and sundry in an aggressive manner. To those individuals I would simply ask what purpose do you serve the industry you appear to represent other than confirm general public (mis?) perception?

sparkle84 wrote:

...the only reason I use this one as opposed to others is it seemed to be free of dca's...

Respect your point of view Sparkle but I sincerely hope it's not the only reason!

I would only reiterate my earlier point in respect of your "free of dca's" comment. Unless you and MSE is going to launch a big public campaign to have them all outlawed and closed down, they are with us and no-one can escape that as a fact of life.

If your past experience of other BBs is that DC's or alleged DCs do turn up simply to be trolls, then that is sad, and even sadder if they don't realise that such behaviour only reflects on them and their profession - in fact it increases the likelihood that incensed people at a popular site like MSE will lobby for tighter industry regulation and practice.

That said, I don't know any of that and can only comment on what TR has said thus far.

It's in their hands - "proof of the pudding and all that" after at least what I've posted to show if they can be constructive and show a human face.

supported debt avoidance actively

I post in response to defend the two sites being defamed (DHUK and Debt Questions). Neither site condones norsupports debt avoidance.

What they do support is making sure that DCA's obey the law in their dealings with debtors, which they very often don't. No one was banned for disagreeing, people were banned for disruptive and abusive posts.