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Unenforceable loan agreements
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Hi all
I've seen on several members signatures that they have saved money by stopping payments on unenforceable loan agreements.
How do I check if mine is enforceable and, if it's not, what do I do about it?
I've seen on several members signatures that they have saved money by stopping payments on unenforceable loan agreements.
How do I check if mine is enforceable and, if it's not, what do I do about it?
:wall: Flagellation, necrophilia and bestiality - Am I flogging a dead horse? :wall:
Any posts are my opinion and only that. Please read at your own risk.
Any posts are my opinion and only that. Please read at your own risk.
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Do you have a copy of your loan agreement?
If not ask your lender for a copy.0 -
I have one around somewhere - what do I need to check on it?:wall: Flagellation, necrophilia and bestiality - Am I flogging a dead horse? :wall:
Any posts are my opinion and only that. Please read at your own risk.0 -
Has it been completed correctly?
Is it signed by you and the lender (even if their signature is an electronic one)?0 -
Hi
Just to play devils Advocate, if money is borrowed but the instrument by which it is borrowed is flawed does this mean the money does not have to be repaid?
The lender can correct this in court (with costs) or simply say ok the agreement is not correct can I have my money back please.
The problem here is that they may wait years before thay ask for it back with interest and say that the borrrower had no intention of repaying the amount borrowed evidenced by the lack of repayment.0 -
So you borrowed the money and now dont want to pay it back so are looking if any admin mistakes were made - thats not money savings, its just plain wrong.0
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An Agreement can be deemed be unenforceable or voidable. Which depends on whether there are contract flaws or simply breach of contract.
If an agreement is unenforceable I am afraid it does mean that the borrower could stop paying. I make no opinion as to the rights or wrongs of the matter only to state that this is in fact law of the land.I am a former Broker, former IFA and former compliance officer, for my sins.
However, I have since seen the light.0 -
Its about legality, you should request a copy of the agreement from the lender or DCA if it now with them,if they produce it them check it legality in todays world and not any moral issues, these can be left to religous forums.
If its not enforecable then it is up to you whether you repay or not,0 -
Hi
My comments were about legality, if the Contract is void or voidable then there is no basis on which the money was borrowed therefore it has to be returned.
It is well established that what fails in Contract is usually dealt with in Equity.
Do you think the Lender will just walk away?0 -
You make a request under the consumer credit act 1974 for a copy of your credit agreement (as long as your loan/credit card was taken out prior to the recent amendments). If they fail to provide the agreement or provide an unenforcable/voidable agreement you have a very good defence should you be taken to court over the matter.
Personally I wouldn't leave it as unenforcable and sit and hope they don't take you to court. Use the fact they are in a weak position agreement wise to make a full and final agreement at a very low level to clear the thing finally and for good.
I wouldn't like to comment on the morality of this except to say that a debt passed to a DCA will have been sold for a low amount (quite often as low as 10p in the £1), the original lender writes it off for tax gains and the DCA after paying a pittance attempts to claim the whole amount? Doesn't seem much more moral. But I also think it is unrealistic to just walk away from debt, and we have worked hard to clear alot of ours since we joined this site.
However we have experienced, and know many others who have also had, very bad treatment from creditors when they asked for help. I know someone who made an agreement with a DCA and stuck to it, after 6 months they started to ring several times a day trying to pressurise her into paying more off even though she repeatedly told them her situation hadn't altered. A member of staff actually told her to "sell some of your kids cloths and toys, kids have too much anyway" when she explained her financial situation!
At the end of the day its a personal call which way to go. Personally I have used this, but only to agree reduced F&F settlements (and only where we were treated unfairly by the creditors) and I for one intend to spend the rest of my life with as little debt as possible.
But I do think at the end of the day banks and other lenders do not pay any attention to fairness or morality in any of their business dealings. For them it is bottom line, and legality, so I couldn't be critical of anyone playing them at the own game so to speak.
ali x"Overthinking every little thing
Acknowledge the bell you cant unring"0 -
mightymouse wrote: »Hi
My comments were about legality, if the Contract is void or voidable then there is no basis on which the money was borrowed therefore it has to be returned.
It is well established that what fails in Contract is usually dealt with in Equity.
Do you think the Lender will just walk away?
We have had this conversation before Mighty Mouse.
For clarity. There are a number of issues that will make an agreement unenforceable and the lender will have no choice but to accept the consequences of not getting things right.
Voidable is another issue altogether. The borrower will, in such instances, have to be put back to a position prior to entering the agreement.I am a former Broker, former IFA and former compliance officer, for my sins.
However, I have since seen the light.0
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