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Creation being a pain with interest.

As it is, if the interest is frozen we will not be debt free until 2029

It was probably the wrong thing to do? but I felt I had no choice hence sent them the following letter. It describes one account where we will be paying £40 a month
Today I have received two letters relating to the above two accounts where you say you have reduced the interest rate to 0.490%

This means that over a year I will pay off next to nothing from my debt.

While I hope things improve in time, my husband has health problems meaning this could be a long term situation although I hope it isn't.

I have had a statement through today for my card ending in xxxx where next months interest is an estimated £32.97 meaning I will be paying off just £7.03 a month. So I will be paying £440 over a year and paying just £84.36

That means if this ended up a long term situation, when I'm 70 in 20 years I would have paid just £1687.20 off my £6,686.32 debt and would still owe £4999.12

Whereas if you froze the interest, I would be paying £440 off a year meaning in 15 years I would have finally paid the debt off.

As it stands, my debts and my husband's debts are making us both extremely ill and worried, and to be honest, paying it back at this rate where I'm still in almost as much debt in 10 years time, makes my situation feel futile.

I have sought advice and have been advised my best course of action is to stop payments completely so that it gets taken to court, I get a CCJ and some charges, but no further interest added. I obviously do not wish to go this route, at the same time the current route with the interest being charged is unworkable and all the time we have this stress, my husband is never going to get fit enough to go back to work.

Please could you reconsider freezing the interest rate please. My other creditors have been happy to freeze the interest.

Ah well, feel better for sending it.
The way things are going, soon we are all going to be victims of something or other.

Who will we blame then?
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  • Please gather all your paperwork relating to your debts and your monthly income and outgoings and contact a debt management charity, e.g. Christians against poverty (they won't try to convert you) or Stepchange or Payplan. It shouldn't go as far as a CCJ if you contact an organisation that will give you free debt advice and help.

    These companies may be able to help you freeze interest for a period of time, or completely or may help to get a reduction in the interest you pay. They will help you work out a monthly payment plan that you can manage

    Don't despair no situation stays the same forever. Don't let the debts make you ill, they're not worth it.
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  • How old is the account?

    If taken out before April 2007, send them a CCA request to see where you stand. If they don't have it, on a debt from before this date, they are a tad stuffed regarding court action.

    This helps your negotiations.
    :beer:
  • Puzzcat
    Puzzcat Posts: 4,200 Forumite
    Hi,
    Are you currently in a dmp with a free provider such as stepchange? Or are you self managing?
    Even with someone doing a dmp for you a creditor does not have to reduce or freeze interest but most usually do. If they don't the recommended route is to write a letter stating the word complaint clearly within it and then await a reply. If no luck then you esculate it to the FOS via an online form. I did this with creation and got the interest lowered they would not freeze it.
    Good luck.
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  • I'm with Stepchange and it's newer than 2007
    The way things are going, soon we are all going to be victims of something or other.

    Who will we blame then?
  • As I've said in my other thread, I am concerned about how DMP charities work.

    While of course I appreciate the work these charities do, they do not really help those of us that don't get the interest frozen but don't know what to do next.

    I am the sort of person that would happily stand in court facing the might of a large business and represent myself, a lot of people are not.

    Many people receiving the letters I received from creation would simply feel there's nothing they could do. So they contact their DMP charity, and they receive the following (quoted exactly with just names removed)
    Thank you for your email about the letters from creation.

    We do ask creditors to stop or reduce interest in order to help you to repay your debts. Creation have reduced the interest rate in order to assist you in repaying your debts. They are under no obligation to do this.

    In the original agreement you signed, it is likely you will have agreed to repay a higher rate than this.

    After the twelve months agreement with Creation has expired, it is likely they will ask us for an update of your circumstances to see if anything has improved.

    If you still feel the interest and charges Creation are adding are excessive, you can make a formal complaint to them. Creditors have up to eight weeks to respond to this. If you still did not feel you have had a satisfactory response after this time, you can then take things forward with the Financial Ombudsman.

    If you have any questions please call us on 08442 643 643. We’re open Monday to Friday 8am to 6pm. Or you can email us at client.service@stepchange.org.

    You can also keep us updated about your details through our website, at https://www.stepchange.org.

    To me the tone of that letter implies I should be thankful they have reduced it to what they have.

    How many people at their wits end with their debts, receive that sort of reply and feel there's nothing they can do. I know full well with a few more letters I will get them to reduce it further but I do feel these charities should word their replies better and give better advice to those seeking it, as I feel many would mistakenly simply give up at this point and simply pay it.

    I would have preferred (for the benefit of others) the reply to concentrate much more on how they can help draw up a template letter to try and get Creation to lower the interest rate further. How to draw up a letter to the Financial Ombudsman, maybe explaining the process, how it's likely Creation wont hold up the complaint but usually when they go through this process, even though they don't uphold it, they do normally reduce charges further etc.
    The way things are going, soon we are all going to be victims of something or other.

    Who will we blame then?
  • Bit harsh. Never used a debt charity, but I guess they have to use their resources wisely. They have said what you can do and if you asked I am sure they would help with a complaint to the FOS, which by the way, you don't need a letter for as you can ring them to lodge your complaint.

    If you are confident dealing with creditors, then could you not run your own DMP?
    :beer:
  • sourcrates
    sourcrates Posts: 31,751 Ambassador
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    I find the best way out of this situation is to stop paying completely, I liken this to the payday loan spiral lots of people find them selves in, you end up more in debt because of creditor interest, at some point you just have to say NO, and re-take control of the matter.


    Most people are aware of the debt collection process :


    original creditor-collections-assigned DCA-debt gets sold.


    Most court actions take place at the end of the process, if ever, once a debt is sold on, all interest and charges usually stop, if a creditor is not willing to stop interest, no amount of complaining will budge them.
    At least when it ends up with a new owner, there will be no further interest.
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  • As I've said in my other thread, I am concerned about how DMP charities work.

    While of course I appreciate the work these charities do, they do not really help those of us that don't get the interest frozen but don't know what to do next.

    I am the sort of person that would happily stand in court facing the might of a large business and represent myself, a lot of people are not.

    Many people receiving the letters I received from creation would simply feel there's nothing they could do. So they contact their DMP charity, and they receive the following (quoted exactly with just names removed)



    To me the tone of that letter implies I should be thankful they have reduced it to what they have.

    How many people at their wits end with their debts, receive that sort of reply and feel there's nothing they can do. I know full well with a few more letters I will get them to reduce it further but I do feel these charities should word their replies better and give better advice to those seeking it, as I feel many would mistakenly simply give up at this point and simply pay it.

    I would have preferred (for the benefit of others) the reply to concentrate much more on how they can help draw up a template letter to try and get Creation to lower the interest rate further. How to draw up a letter to the Financial Ombudsman, maybe explaining the process, how it's likely Creation wont hold up the complaint but usually when they go through this process, even though they don't uphold it, they do normally reduce charges further etc.

    When I came to MSE I did not even know such a thing as a DMP existed, I thought there was no possible solution to our debt and we would take into retirement and finally to the grave. Because I thought you had to, I started our DMP with StepChange (then CCCS) but a few months down the line realised I could do this on my own so went self managed.

    Your debt is yours, never forget that. You may hand over the money to be distributed to your creditors each month but that's all StepChange will do for you, if you want interest stopping, you will need to fight for it.

    You say "I am the sort of person that would happily stand in court facing the might of a large business and represent myself, a lot of people are not", so why do you need a middleman for a DMP? Go self managed, when creditors don't play nice with you, play hardball with them. Yes you get hassle but it's empowering to deal with it and win.

    Everything you need is found in 4 places:

    1) This forum, particularly the DMP & Mutual Support Thread, found here: https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/4988866
    Read back through this thread and go back to earlier ones. Join in the thread, ask what you need to know, people there will help, advise and support you.

    2) NED CAB DMP - award winning self managed DMP with everything you need online, found here: https://nedcab.cabmoney.org.uk/dmp.asp

    3) National Debtline website template letters, found here: https://www.nationaldebtline.org/EW/sampleletters/Pages/default.aspx

    4) The FOS for back up when you need a bit more "umph", found here: http://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/consumer/complaints.htm

    You will get help and you can help others in return, it feels really great showing a newbie how to do it, when you had no idea yourself a couple of years ago. I am not boasting but the proof of my method is in my signature, you can do it too but you need to take action yourself and do it NOW.

    Good luck

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  • Bit of a catch 22 situation.

    I am suffering from health problems and one thing I have to do is avoid as much stress as possible.

    And stress for me can be something that's very trivial for most people.

    So while I am happy to face them in court if needed, while I am not scared by any of this, the stress of it is doing me zero good, hence if a DMP can take most of it off my hands and I just have to make one payment a month, it's better for me.

    Mind you, I'm not entirely sure if using a DMP charity long term will be any less stress than doing it myself.

    A bit hard to explain, if it wasn't for my bad health (I'm not talking about me being ill due to these debts, I'm talking about something completely different), I would happily run my own DMP, then again if it wasn't for my health, I could work and wouldn't need to.
    The way things are going, soon we are all going to be victims of something or other.

    Who will we blame then?
  • Hi,

    If running your own DMP is going to be too much then how about looking at your budget to make sure that it is leaving you with enough to get by on, maybe transport and medical expenses mean that you need to be paying less in the short term...

    If Creation are anything like Barclaycard then they will be charging you a reduced but still hefty interest based on %age of the balance being paid each month so a smaller monthly payment will obviously mean a lower %age going to them...

    I believe that SC require a minimum of £5 per creditor to continue to manage your DMP, if your outgoings were increased to this point then Creation will likely either freeze the interest or sell the debt on :) even if what you are actually doing is saving the additional you are keeping aside each month to build up an emergency fund...

    Hope this helps :)

    MB
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