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Dubai Defaults

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Presumably the Dubai government willl now be locking themselves up like they do to private debtors.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8379816.stm
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  • Jonbvn
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    It will be interesting to see how the markets view this dafault. Could it be perceived as the first domino to fall?
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  • Jonbvn wrote: »
    It will be interesting to see how the markets view this dafault. Could it be perceived as the first domino to fall?

    Wouldn't that be Iceland.....:confused:

    Besides, Dubai hasn't defaulted.

    Nakheel, a property development company which is a subsidiary of Dubai World, which in turn is owned by a fund controlled by the Dubai Royal Family, is talking about delaying payment on bonds by 5 months.

    Which is not the same thing at all as a sovereign default.

    Dubai is relatively screwed though, don't get me wrong, and the insurance spread on Dubai debt has widened to reflect this. But genuine Dubai government issued direct debt will end up being honoured, mostly through bail-outs from Abu Dhabi.

    There will be a price to pay politically within the UAE power structure, and the Dubai Sheikhs won't like it, but they'll do it.
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  • Jonbvn
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    Wouldn't that be Iceland.....:confused:

    Besides, Dubai hasn't defaulted.

    Nakheel, a property development company which is a subsidiary of Dubai World, which in turn is owned by a fund controlled by the Dubai Royal Family, is talking about delaying payment on bonds by 5 months.

    Which is not the same thing at all as a sovereign default.

    Dubai is relatively screwed though, don't get me wrong, and the insurance spread on Dubai debt has widened to reflect this. But genuine Dubai government issued direct debt will end up being honoured, mostly through bail-outs from Abu Dhabi.

    According to the Telegraph, it is Dubai World and Nahkeel
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/globalbusiness/6655687/Dubai-recovery-hopes-hit-by-debt-standstill-call.html

    Dubai World is one of the gov'ts main holding companies owning Emirates & P&O. As alluded to in the Telegraph article, this looks like sovereign default in everything but name.

    And the real sting in the tail?

    Dubai's sovereign credit default swaps jumped 111 basis points to 429 – higher than Iceland's.
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  • Eric_Pisch
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    any of this money owed to British banks / companies? are we going to have to make more loans?

    They will get it all back with interest eventually as demand for oil sky rockets again
  • 16:18 25Nov09 - Dubai seeks debt delay for flagship firms

    * Dubai asks for debt standstill on Dubai World, Nakheel
    * To restructure Dubai World, which has $59 bln liabilities
    * Credit default swaps soar
    * Dubai places $5 bln bond with banks, half what expected

    DUBAI, Nov 25 - Dubai will ask creditors of two of its flagship firms for a standstill on debt worth billions of dollars as a first step towards restructuring Dubai World, the conglomerate which spearheaded the emirate's breakneck growth.

    The government's announcement on Wednesday, which also said consultants Deloitte had been appointed to help with the restructuring, sent the cost of insuring Dubai's debt against default soaring and bond prices tumbling.

    Dubai World has $59 billion of liabilities, its subsidiary Nakheel said in August, a large proportion of Dubai's total debt of $80 billion.

    "Dubai World intends to ask all providers of financing to Dubai World and Nakheel to 'standstill' and extend maturities until at least 30 May 2010," the government said in a statement.

    Nakheel, the developer of palm-shaped islands owned by Dubai World, has a $3.5 billion Islamic bond maturing on Dec. 14 and more debt worth 3.6 billion dirhams ($980 million) due on May 13 2010. Limitless, another Dubai World developer, has a $1.2 billion Islamic bond maturing on March 31 next year.

    "It's shocking because for the past few months the news coming out has given investors comfort that Dubai would most probably be able to meet its debt obligations and most analysts were of the view that Nakheel's commitments would be met," said Shakeel Sarwar, head of asset management at SICO Investment Bank.

    "Abu Dhabi has been supportive of Dubai, but it appears this support is not enough for Dubai to meet its obligations on time."

    The cost of insuring Dubai government debt against default using 5-year credit default swaps soared, jumping over 100 basis points to 420.6 from a close of 318 one day earlier. Nakheel's Islamic bond prices fell more than 20 points to 87.

    "The market had expected a timely repayment of the $3.5 billion sukuk and spreads had narrowed. This will destroy a lot of confidence," said Eckhart Woertz, economics programme manager at Gulf Research Centre.

    "The standstill requests comes as a surprise, especially after additional finance from Abu Dhabi has been raised," Woertz added.

    Dubai's economy has been hit hard as the global credit crunch saw an end to a six-year boom in the region and sent the emirate's once-flourishing property sector into decline.

    DEBT RAISING
    In a separate move the government said was not connected to the Dubai World restructuring, Dubai raised a further $5 billion as part of a $20 billion bond programme launched this year, half of what it previously said it would raise.

    The $5 billion tranche had a maturity of five years and paid four percent interest and was placed with two Abu Dhabi-controlled banks, the National Bank of Abu Dhabi <NBAD.AD> and Al Hilal Bank, officials said.

    The first $10 billion tranche in the programme was taken up by the United Arab Emirates central bank earlier this year as Dubai sought to raise funds to support state-linked companies.

    The $5 billion was placed with two banks controlled by the Abu Dhabi ruler or government, a move likely to underscore the continued support for Dubai from its wealthier neighbour.

    "Although it has not come from a federal source ... both of the banks are Abu Dhabi-government controlled banks," Malik said. "It's in line with our view that there will be limited pure-private interest," she said.

    Economist David Butter at the Economist Intelligence Unit said the bond was an elegant way for Dubai to avoid going back to the central bank, owing to the difficulty of attracting interest from international banks.

    "Dubai will be able to state that it has raised what it needs from the market, without any suggestion of an Abu Dhabi bailout," he said.

    Dubai has said previously that the proceeds from its bond scheme would underpin companies such as Nakheel, as part of its drive to build tourism as an alternative to its dwindling oil.

    But further details are scarce about what Dubai has done with the first $10 billion, what it plans to do with the new $5 billion, and why it only issued half of what it said it would issue only weeks earlier.

    "Any news from the financial stability fund has been absent since it has been launched," said economist Caroline Grady at Deutsche Bank.

    "We haven't heard anything other than the headline in May that some of the money was used to refinance debt at Nakheel."
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  • Generali
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    From Bloomberg (link):
    Nov. 26 (Bloomberg) -- Dubai World, with $59 billion of liabilities, is seeking to delay debt payments, sending contracts to protect the emirate against default surging by the most since they began trading in January.

    The state-controlled company will ask creditors for a “standstill” agreement as it negotiates to extend maturities, including $3.52 billion of Islamic bonds due Dec. 14 from its property unit Nakheel PJSC, Dubai’s Department of Finance said in an e-mailed statement. Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s cut the ratings on several state companies, saying they may consider the plan a default.
    (my bold)
  • Jonbvn
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    Generali wrote: »
    From Bloomberg (link):

    Moody’s Investors Service and Standard & Poor’s cut the ratings on several state companies, saying they may consider the plan a default.
    (my bold)

    They may not yet call it a default YET. With hindsight, it will surely be labelled as such!
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  • With delicious timing Barclays Capital issued a buy recommendation on Dubai sovereign bonds just 3 weeks ago.

    Or were they just trying to dump all their !!!! on mug punters ?
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  • Jonbvn
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    Eric_Pisch wrote: »
    They will get it all back with interest eventually as demand for oil sky rockets again

    No oil in Dubai. Their brothers in Abu Dhabi now have them over a barrel.
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  • Eric_Pisch
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    Jonbvn wrote: »
    No oil in Dubai. Their brothers in Abu Dhabi now have them over a barrel.

    they really are in serious trouble then
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