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    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 18th Mar 08, 10:39 AM
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    TV Licence article Discussion
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    • 18th Mar 08, 10:39 AM
    TV Licence article Discussion 18th Mar 08 at 10:39 AM


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    • akira181
    • By akira181 11th Jun 19, 10:48 AM
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    There’s an option to sign up to say you don’t need a TV license and some generic options why. I only use my TV for Netflix, DVDs and gaming. Nothing on BBC is worth watching that doesn’t get streamed elsewhere or purchasable on DVD (thinking mainly Planet Earth and the like).

    I got fed up of all the wasted paper coming through my door and I’ve seen on many occasions the bin lorry emptying the recycling and household waste bins into the same lorry so it was greener to just tell them.

    You don’t see the DVLA spamming every address about road tax because they may or may not own a car that’s registered elsewhere. Their scaremongering to get people to pay for something they don’t watch is disgraceful and it’s only allowed because they continue to push whatever political agendas Westminster deems appropriate. Plus, taxing the masses to make up for their tax dodging uber rich buddies seems to be their preferred option.
    • astroL
    • By astroL 12th Jun 19, 6:26 PM
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    Query: I am 75 in May 2020. Do I get a free tv licence for 1 month? Despite being on an income well below national average etc. I don't get pension credit. My wife was also robbed of her full State Pension by being born in the early 50s. The government has succeeded in hitting us financially at every opportunity - this tv licence is just the latest government scam.
    • Lewie
    • By Lewie 12th Jun 19, 8:11 PM
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    akira 181
    You have observed the 'recycling' scam with your own eyes.
    Just like the tv license, 'recycling' is a tax.
    They are both cons on an equal par.
    • cw18
    • By cw18 12th Jun 19, 9:04 PM
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    Query: I am 75 in May 2020. Do I get a free tv licence for 1 month? Despite being on an income well below national average etc. I don't get pension credit. My wife was also robbed of her full State Pension by being born in the early 50s. The government has succeeded in hitting us financially at every opportunity - this tv licence is just the latest government scam.
    Originally posted by astroL
    I've always assumed the free licence starts from the month after your birthday month, as you pay from 1st for a full month and (unless your birthday falls on 1st) you'll have to pay for the start of the month. If the free licences aren't valid from 1st June (not sure I've read which end of the month it kicks in, so I'm assuming the worst), you'll not get one at all.
    Cheryl
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jun 19, 8:24 AM
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    this TV licence is just the latest government scam.
    Originally posted by astroL
    For once, this is nothing to do with the Government.

    It's the BBC reneging on a deal they agreed to.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 13th Jun 19, 8:32 AM
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    I got fed up of all the wasted paper coming through my door and Iíve seen on many occasions the bin lorry emptying the recycling and household waste bins into the same lorry so it was greener to just tell them.
    Originally posted by akira181
    On principle, I refuse to help the BBC spend less money.

    The more money they fritter away, writing to/visiting people who don't require a licence, the more people will object to them wasting LF payers money, and the more will stop paying.

    You donít see the DVLA spamming every address about road tax because they may or may not own a car thatís registered elsewhere.
    Nor do the police randomly write to/visit addresses that don't have a gun licence, on the grounds they might own an unlicensed gun, yet unlicensed cars and guns are way more of a risk to the public, that unlicensed TV receivers.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Section106
    • By Section106 13th Jun 19, 9:15 AM
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    akira 181
    You have observed the 'recycling' scam with your own eyes.
    Just like the tv license, 'recycling' is a tax.
    They are both cons on an equal par.
    Originally posted by Lewie
    This is off topic, but is so misleading it needs a response.

    Occasionally 'contaminated' recycling bins will be emptied into general refuse vehicles. Also, some councils use the same vehicles for collecting refuse and recycling, but the recycled materials are kept separate from the refuse. This leads people to assume that their recycling is being dumped in the same way as general refuse.

    Councils have to pay landfill tax on every tonne of waste that goes to landfill, but get an income (as well as a saving) on every tonne of recyclable material (especially metals, paper and glass) which is kept out of landfill and recycled instead. If your council is unnecessarily spending money on sending recyclable materials to landfill then you should name and shame them.

    If your council incinerates waste instead of using landfill then the waste will be processed prior to incineration to remove valuable recyclables. This is done not only because the materials are valuable, but also because the non-combustible materials like glass and metals would end up in the 'bottom ash' which has to be treated as hazardous waste and is very expensive to get rid of.

    Councils also have to record the waste they collect and how that waste is disposed of. The weight of every vehicle tipping at landfill or a waste transfer station is logged. The data has to be provided to the Government and is audited and published. If a council is systematically collecting recycling and disposing of it as general refuse then this will show up in the statistics. It cannot be hidden.

    Recycling is not a "scam". Nor is it a "tax".

    But people who refuse to recycle are imposing an additional tax burden on other residents.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 13th Jun 19, 12:01 PM
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    This is off topic, but is so misleading it needs a response.
    Originally posted by Section106
    I agree with most of what you say. Some waste is pre-treated by going through an MBT plant prior to going to incineration, but I would say this is the exception rather than the norm.

    A lot of residual waste is tipped directly at the incinerator by a dust cart. Staff will remove "hazardous" materials, such as gas bottles and mattresses (the springs prevent waste from moving smoothly through the process) but paper, card, and plastics will generally just be burned.

    Ferrous metals are recovered from the ash after burning. It is my understanding that bottom ash from incinerators burning municipal waste is non hazardous and can be used for aggregate. Happy to be proved wrong if you can provide evidence to the contrary.
    • Britannia12345
    • By Britannia12345 14th Jun 19, 11:02 AM
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    I've tried looking through the threads for an answer to this question but there are so many posts!!
    If I cancel my licence now and disconnect my satellite box so I'm not receiving live tv can I still carry on watching the programmes I've already recorded on it?
    • cw18
    • By cw18 14th Jun 19, 11:18 AM
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    I've tried looking through the threads for an answer to this question but there are so many posts!!
    If I cancel my licence now and disconnect my satellite box so I'm not receiving live tv can I still carry on watching the programmes I've already recorded on it?
    Originally posted by Britannia12345
    Depends on your box, and whether it's actually a Sky subscription or a Freesat one. My fella informs me that he thinks all subscription and some Freesat boxes have hard disks your recordings will be on, but if it's a subscription box you will still need a valid card (meaning you have to pay the Sky subscription) in order to watch them - and having a Sky subscription can be seen as a reason to need a licence. Not sure about the Sky Q Hubs as he's never had one of those.


    I personally wouldn't cancel until the last day of a month - you don't get part month refunds, and everyones licence starts on the 1st of the month it was purchased it. I don't know if it's changed but when I cancelled they only refunded in 3 month intervals, so if you had 5 months left on it you only got 3 months money back - I timed my cancellation so there was 3 months and 1 day left on it, and I got 3 months money back.
    Last edited by cw18; 14-06-2019 at 11:21 AM.
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    • Britannia12345
    • By Britannia12345 14th Jun 19, 12:05 PM
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    Ah ok. We've got a freesat box. Will wait until the end of the month then - thankyou ☺
    • cw18
    • By cw18 14th Jun 19, 12:40 PM
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    Ah ok. We've got a freesat box. Will wait until the end of the month then - thankyou ☺
    Originally posted by Britannia12345
    If you want to check, simply unplug the box from the mains, take the cable from dish to box out (you need to power off first to be sure you don't short the box!), power back up and see if you have access to your records. Then power down and put cable back in before powering back up with access to live shows for the rest of the month.
    Cheryl
    • Britannia12345
    • By Britannia12345 14th Jun 19, 1:25 PM
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    Great, I'll try that later ☺
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 14th Jun 19, 1:47 PM
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    For once, this is nothing to do with the Government.

    It's the BBC reneging on a deal they agreed to.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob

    Your usual b*ll*cks about the BBC. Let me quote from a newspaper article:


    The policy of free TV licences for the over-75s was introduced in 1999 by the then Labour chancellor, Gordon Brown, with the cost met by the government, which paid the BBC to provide the service.
    However, in 2015 the Conservative government, guided by George Osborne, struck a deal under which the subsidy would be phased out by 2020, with the broadcaster having to shoulder the cost of free TV licences.

    The government later gave the BBC responsibility for deciding what to do about the benefit, meaning any unpopular decisions on charging over-75s had to be made by the BBC rather than ministers.

    My bolding. Basically the government not financing it anymore.


    I've owned this house 35+ years and never had a colour TV and licence, so saved far more than you ever have, but I'm not obsessed at having a go at the BBC.
    • Lewie
    • By Lewie 14th Jun 19, 1:51 PM
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    This is off topic, but is so misleading it needs a response.
    Originally posted by Section106
    Gullibility comes to mind.
    What you are told and what actually happens arenít necessarily the same.
    Not long ago our recycling bin was refused.
    It had a sticker on it with a scrawled message ĎBLACK BIN LINERí
    There was nothing unusual about our bin that week.
    I called the council.
    They asked if there was a black bin liner in the bin.
    Yes, I said.
    Ah, thatís the reason. They canít see whatís in a black bin liner.
    But I always use a black bin liner to line the bin. You can still see all the waste if you lift the lid.
    Oh no, thatís fine, I was told, itís only sealed black bags that arenít acceptable. Iíll send someone round to pick it up.
    A couple of hours later, knock on the door.
    Iíve emptied your bin, said the chap.
    I went outside with him to ask what was going on.
    We donít know ourselves, he said.
    Weíve been told not to pick up bins with black liners in them, you can only use clear as the equipment at the plant canít recognise black, it stops the belt.
    If they see a black liner they reject the whole lorry costing the council £1,500 per lorry.
    Loads are rejected every week, he informed me.
    So they refused my stuff for recycling, then sent a second lorry because they were wrong?
    Thatís a really good advert for Ďsaving the planetí!
    Add to that the amount we, the tax payer are being charged for rejected loads = a con that is costing the tax payer a fortune.
    Then there was the investigative programme some years ago that visited a tip, I think in India, where they recovered a letter. They took the letter to the address in the UK and asked the occupier what he had done with the letter.
    Recycled it, he said. He was gob smacked that it found itís way to India. CON!
    And thatís just the tip, so to speak, of the iceberg.
    • Nick_C
    • By Nick_C 14th Jun 19, 2:21 PM
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    Ignorance, and a refusal to do anything about it, comes to mind.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 14th Jun 19, 4:54 PM
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    However, in 2015 the Conservative government, guided by George Osborne, struck a deal under which the subsidy would be phased out by 2020, with the broadcaster having to shoulder the cost of free TV licences.
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    The deal was that, in exchange for taking over responsibility for the over 75 licence, I-Player would become subject to the licence, and the licence fee would rise.

    If the BBC didn't like the deal, they should have refused it, but they didn't, they accepted it.

    I-Player came under the licence, and the fee went up (twice so far), and the BBC is now reneging on it's responsibility for the over 75 licence.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - £1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • castle96
    • By castle96 14th Jun 19, 5:04 PM
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    Just stop paying it, whether you 'should' or not. Play with them. S*d em. Don't talk/respond/let them in. The 'legalities' of it are neither here nor there. If enough of us just stop, then what can they do?
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 14th Jun 19, 6:56 PM
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    Just stop paying it, whether you 'should' or not. Play with them. S*d em. Don't talk/respond/let them in. The 'legalities' of it are neither here nor there. If enough of us just stop, then what can they do?
    Originally posted by castle96
    MSE can't condone non-payment of the Licence Fee by anyone who should be paying it.
    I'm a Board Guide on the Phones & TV, Techie Stuff, In My Home,
    The Money Savers Arms and Food Shopping boards. I'm a volunteer to help the boards run smoothly, and I can move and merge threads there. Any views (especially those on the UK TV Licence) are mine and not the official line of moneysavingexpert.com.

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    • Lewie
    • By Lewie 16th Jun 19, 9:32 AM
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    Ignorance, and a refusal to do anything about it, comes to mind.
    Originally posted by Nick_C
    Not sure if this is aimed at me as it's a tad confusing.
    If it is, I was 'doing something about it'.
    I was recycling but those in 'power' have no idea what they are doing.
    I no longer waste my time.
    Another sheep following the flock.
    If you think recycling is helping 'climate change' then your wool is well and truly pulled over your eyes.
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