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    • By MSE Archna 18th Mar 08, 10:39 AM
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    TV Licence article Discussion
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    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 7th Apr 19, 11:30 AM
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    I've got this feeling that both the BBC, and the government, spin out the "public service" agenda, while being much more of a "self service" in reality.
    I think that the links between them are a lot closer than that which is seen on the surface as well.
    Too much "propaganda" in the BBC content somehow.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 7th Apr 19, 11:56 AM
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    I think that the relationship is strange, and unhealthy. But I guess that's true of Government-media relationships, generally.

    The BBC and some of its senior staff have an unfortunate attitude that politicians are "here today and gone tomorrow", whereas the BBC is somehow timeless. I think that's a big error of fact, but also has the tendency to upset the very politicians who decide the BBC's future (at the end of the day). It also represents what ought to be a huge misjudgement (between the ephemeral nature of broadcasting compared to the tangible nature of government). The only way it could not be that is if the BBC either is interfering with the process of government and/or leadership of the country, or believes that it is. Either would be bad.
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    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 7th Apr 19, 1:36 PM
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    The whole thing seems to me to be fairly dysfunctional.
    That can be said of many things though.
    There's the whole thing, in both government and the BBC. to be seen to be politically correct, doing the right thing for the right reasons, and being caring about their "customers"
    While the reality is that they're often doing the right thing for their own reasons.

    Mind you, I'm not a fan of either our (way of selecting) government in it's present "popularity contest" form, or the BBC in it's present "Give us your money and we'll give you what we want you to have" paternalistic form.

    I'm also aware that either or both could be an awful lot worse than it is!
    • vinnie nan
    • By vinnie nan 10th Apr 19, 12:07 PM
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    Lyca Tv and Now TV
    Hi,
    I am going to subscribe for Lyca TV to watch indian channels. I don't know it will be live or catch up. Do I need TV Licence? And also I am going to apply for Now broadband which includes TV package and I don't know it will be live or catch up.Do I need TV Licence?
    Thanks
    Vin
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 10th Apr 19, 3:51 PM
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    Hi,
    I am going to subscribe for Lyca TV to watch indian channels. I don't know it will be live or catch up. Do I need TV Licence?
    Originally posted by vinnie nan
    If it is only catch-up then you definitely do not need a TV Licence for that. If it is broadcast TV, and is a TV channel available in the UK on Satellite or Cable TV, then you definitely do need a TV Licence.

    If it is broadcast TV, but is not a parallel service to a TV channel available in the UK, then that is a grey area. TV Licensing presently say you do need a Licence, but the legislation and TV Licensing historically said not.

    And also I am going to apply for Now broadband which includes TV package and I don't know it will be live or catch up.Do I need TV Licence?
    Thanks
    Vin
    Now TV has both TV broadcast channels and catch-up/box sets. It is classed by TV Licensing primarily as a streaming service which means that if you do not watch the broadcast channels "as live", then you do not need a TV Licence.

    You can still watch catch-up/box sets without needing a TV Licence.
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    • cw18
    • By cw18 10th Apr 19, 4:57 PM
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    I have NowTV, and just take care when I watch things.

    I normally have the Entertainment package (TV shows - which is the one I believe they've giving away a 6 month pass to if you sign up for Fibre), so I just make sure not to watch the latest episode on the night it airs on Sky. eg. Magnum PI airs on Sky One at 9pm on a Wednesday, and then at 10pm on the +1 channel. So I wait until Thursday to watch it, meaning I don't fall foul of the rule as to when it becomes catch-up rather than delayed live.



    I have to be more careful when I have a pass for the Films. I've always avoided the 'just released' for a couple of weeks (with one exception, and my fella checked their schedule carefully before we watched that), and generally start them playing at odd times (rather than on the hour or a half hour etc as - according to my fella who subscribes to Sky at his place - that's when most start on the live Sky channels).
    Cheryl
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 10th Apr 19, 5:10 PM
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    I have NowTV, and just take care when I watch things.

    I normally have the Entertainment package (TV shows - which is the one I believe they've giving away a 6 month pass to if you sign up for Fibre), so I just make sure not to watch the latest episode on the night it airs on Sky. eg. Magnum PI airs on Sky One at 9pm on a Wednesday, and then at 10pm on the +1 channel. So I wait until Thursday to watch it, meaning I don't fall foul of the rule as to when it becomes catch-up rather than delayed live.

    I have to be more careful when I have a pass for the Films. I've always avoided the 'just released' for a couple of weeks (with one exception, and my fella checked their schedule carefully before we watched that), and generally start them playing at odd times (rather than on the hour or a half hour etc as - according to my fella who subscribes to Sky at his place - that's when most start on the live Sky channels).
    Originally posted by cw18
    It's good to be cautious, but you don't have to go to those lengths if you don't want to. Watching a program via the catch-up/box-set mechanism is sufficient.

    The Entertainment pass offer (free for 6 months) applies to all new and re-contracting customers of Now TV Broadband. (For re-contracting customers, you just have to ask for it when you haggle).
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    • cw18
    • By cw18 10th Apr 19, 5:45 PM
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    It's good to be cautious, but you don't have to go to those lengths if you don't want to. Watching a program via the catch-up/box-set mechanism is sufficient.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    I was under the impression that if I watch it as it's being shown live on a TV channel I needed a licence
    Cheryl
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 10th Apr 19, 5:50 PM
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    I was under the impression that if I watch it as it's being shown live on a TV channel I needed a licence
    Originally posted by cw18
    It's if you watch it ON a TV channel that you need a Licence.

    Given the complexity of scheduling (multiple showings on multiple channels on possibly multiple platforms) it would be unreasonable to expect someone to check the schedules rigourously before watching something on catch-up.

    TV Licensing used to talk about a clear 2 hour window after first broadcast, which is probably sensible if you know when the first broadcast was, but I wouldn't go to heroic measures over it. There's no obvious cue in the legislation for their claim (as usual).
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 10-04-2019 at 5:56 PM.
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    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 16th Apr 19, 5:41 PM
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    "Please renew now" notice from them for a licence that's up at the end of the month.
    From last year I notice that once you renew they seem to take the money a couple of days later, so they really will wait until the very end of the month this time!
    • cw18
    • By cw18 16th Apr 19, 7:15 PM
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    From last year I notice that once you renew they seem to take the money a couple of days later, so they really will wait until the very end of the month this time!
    Originally posted by Jackmydad
    Now we no longer need a paper disc to put in the windscreen I do my road fund licence on the last day of the month for the same reason
    Cheryl
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 16th Apr 19, 8:43 PM
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    Now we no longer need a paper disc to put in the windscreen I do my road fund licence on the last day of the month for the same reason
    Originally posted by cw18
    So long as you renew after the 5th of the month, in which it expires, you will be fine, because the new one will run from the 1st of the following month.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • cw18
    • By cw18 16th Apr 19, 9:43 PM
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    So long as you renew after the 5th of the month, in which it expires, you will be fine, because the new one will run from the 1st of the following month.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    I've no intention of letting them have my money almost a month before I have to. Pay on-line on last day, and they don't see it until early the next month
    Cheryl
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 19th Apr 19, 11:37 AM
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    I've just received my 115th letter from TVL, and you've got to admire their optimism, after I've ignored the previous 114 letters.

    As you have not responded to our letters yet
    Last edited by Bedsit Bob; 19-04-2019 at 4:11 PM.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 19th Apr 19, 12:05 PM
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    It's been a while since I've seen one of their letters. So dishonest.
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    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 19th Apr 19, 12:20 PM
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    I wonder how often they do actually get a warrant?

    Seems to be mostly threats.

    I don't see why if you don't pay a licence it's automatically assumed you are in the wrong.
    Surely there's an assumption of innocence until proved guilty in this country?

    I pay my licence because I use the service, but I do not like their collection tactics.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 19th Apr 19, 12:40 PM
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    I wonder how often they do actually get a warrant?
    Originally posted by Jackmydad
    Some figures leaked out a couple of years ago. They were obtaining and executing around 100 warrants for England & Wales per year. None in Scotland.

    I don't see why if you don't pay a licence it's automatically assumed you are in the wrong. Surely there's an assumption of innocence until proved guilty in this country?
    I think the numbers (90%+ TV reception usage) are probably on their side, but as you say, that needs to be balanced with the legal principles by which a civil society operates. Since their process starts from a presumption of guilt, and their communications are fundamentally dishonest, I have nothing to do with them. I'm fortunate in that they prefer to have nothing to do with me, too.

    ...I do not like their collection tactics.
    I think most reasonable people share that view, once they understand the tactics BBC-TVL use. It's sad, though, that our society still gives rise to these abuses of authority. Perhaps there is something fundamental in human nature that causes it? Nevertheless I regard it as a breakdown in governance that these things can arise and persist, often for decades.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 19th Apr 19, 4:14 PM
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    I don't see why if you don't pay a licence it's automatically assumed you are in the wrong.
    Originally posted by Jackmydad
    Especially given the following.

    when we visit and make contact, we find almost one in six people that tell us they don't need a TV Licence actually do need one.
    by TVL Website
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

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    • Jackmydad
    • By Jackmydad 19th Apr 19, 8:18 PM
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    Especially given the following.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    It does make you wonder if their present approach does them any favours.
    If it's one in six, I wonder what the return versus the cost of fee chasing is.
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 19th Apr 19, 10:20 PM
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    If it's one in six, I wonder what the return versus the cost of fee chasing is.
    Originally posted by Jackmydad
    Actually, I was referring to the fact that more than five in six don't require a licence, so the default presumption should be one of innocence, since that is, by far, the majority state.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
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