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    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 18th Mar 08, 11:39 AM
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    TV Licence article Discussion
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    • 18th Mar 08, 11:39 AM
    TV Licence article Discussion 18th Mar 08 at 11:39 AM


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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 19th Apr 18, 8:06 PM
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    I'd be fascinated to know what wording or script they use in such circumstances, as they have nothing to go by.
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    The "script" the latest one used, when he visited me was:-

    "Hiya".

    "What are you taking my photograph for?"

    "You know that's illegal?"

    "Can I ask you why you're taking my photograph?"

    "Are you the occupier sir?"

    "I'll phone the police."

    You'll notice it was a rather one-sided conversation.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • JimmyTheWig
    • By JimmyTheWig 20th Apr 18, 4:12 PM
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    "I'll phone the police."
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    And did he?
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 20th Apr 18, 8:59 PM
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    And did he?
    Originally posted by JimmyTheWig
    If he did, then they didn't take much notice of him because, over 5 years later, I'm still waiting to hear from them.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 20th Apr 18, 9:32 PM
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    It's difficult to tell, sometimes, when TVL staff (and other similarly weakly-authorised agencies) say these kind of things whether they genuinely believe them (that they could obtain Police assistance in exercising a right of entry that they do not have), or whether they are bluffing.

    I'm not sure which is a greater indictment of their (lack of) training.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 20th Apr 18, 9:37 PM
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    I'm not sure, but I think he wanted the police to intervene over the videoing.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 20th Apr 18, 9:50 PM
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    I'm not sure, but I think he wanted the police to intervene over the videoing.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    If TVL aren't training their staff to expect to be videoed, and that (as a general rule) it is perfectly legal, then that's a bit of a problem.

    Having said that, a lot of Police & PCSOs don't seem to know that, either.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 20th Apr 18, 10:00 PM
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    Having said that, a lot of Police & PCSOs don't seem to know that, either.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    That's why I keep a copy of the ACPO guidance, and the appropriate page from the Visiting Procedures, behind my front door.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • mbmonty
    • By mbmonty 21st Apr 18, 11:39 AM
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    It is astonishing how poorly trained the Police are in basic laws, you see them wrongly backing up High Court Enforcement Officers and even Landlords who try to force entry and evict tenants (something that can cost the Landlord 50k).

    I saw Police in a couple of TVL Goon videos where they did actually have a warrant, they behaved very reasonably overall.
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 22nd Apr 18, 6:54 PM
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    That's why I keep a copy of the ACPO guidance, and the appropriate page from the Visiting Procedures, behind my front door.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    Crikey Bob, I really couldn't be bothered with any of that, you do rather seem to have a bee in your bonnet about this.

    I never go to the front door with a camera phone: it's normally an Amazon delivery for next door. I might be holding a chef's knife or even, recently coming from out back with my very large and sharp Fiskars splitting maul as I've been preparing for next winter. I'm definitely not one of those women at home during the day who are in danger of being bullied!

    Anyway, if I did do any videoing I could explain to them the law as my GF has her own security business. Never got her to install a system mind, that's for the rich and paranoid, and some of her clients are very rich and very paranoid!
    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 22nd Apr 18, 7:20 PM
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    that's for the rich and paranoid
    Originally posted by silverwhistle
    As the saying goes, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • silverwhistle
    • By silverwhistle 22nd Apr 18, 10:36 PM
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    As the saying goes, just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    Just because I'm holding an axe doesn't mean to say I'm going to take them out at the knees!
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 22nd Apr 18, 10:40 PM
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    Taking a balanced view of it, I think that the British public have been remarkably tolerant of TV Licensing over the years. Perhaps too tolerant.
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    • mbmonty
    • By mbmonty 23rd Apr 18, 1:17 AM
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    Taking a balanced view of it, I think that the British public have been remarkably tolerant of TV Licensing over the years. Perhaps too tolerant.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    YES that is why we have rip off Britain, whether it be energy, insurance, banking crisis, austerit, debt, food prices, petrol prices or whatever; bend over and grab your ankles because we know you will not complain.

    The pitchforks are coming....





    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/06/the-pitchforks-are-coming-for-us-plutocrats-108014
    • GlennTheBaker
    • By GlennTheBaker 30th Apr 18, 7:04 PM
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    Yes, you've missed out on a potential refund by not telling them.
    Remember that your direct debit pays for your licence part in advance and part in arrears.
    Which means there is a chance that they now owe you money.
    Originally posted by JimmyTheWig
    I meant to post this before but forgot: a few weeks ago I received a refund cheque from TVL for 24.80 !!!128512;
    This space has been intentionally left blank
    • Deewm76
    • By Deewm76 11th May 18, 9:51 PM
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    My current threatening letter states , We know! you know! .. Pretty sure that means jack all (since I have had 23) . Still howl with laughter every time I open one.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 12th May 18, 8:51 AM
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    Yes, the BBC-TVL letters are something of a "dark art" - an unfortunate and inappropriate combination of threat, deceit and optional bureaucracy. Ultimately, though, as you say, largely meaningless and anyone who is doing nothing wrong can simply throw them away with a clear conscience.

    For anyone who hasn't seen these letters, this site keeps a catalogue: http://www.bbctvlicence.com/
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 12-05-2018 at 8:55 AM.
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    • Bedsit Bob
    • By Bedsit Bob 12th May 18, 9:42 AM
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    and anyone who is doing nothing wrong can simply throw them away with a clear conscience.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    I keep them for posterior.
    1984 WAS NOT AN INSTRUCTION MANUAL.

    Amount I have so far denied the BBC - 1308

    You can't be a Christian AND a Socialist.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 12th May 18, 10:48 AM
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    I keep them for posterior.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    I hear they make good hamster bedding, too.
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    • PrometheusUnbound
    • By PrometheusUnbound 31st May 18, 1:54 AM
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    Thank you
    Some great opinions and advice on here. Thank you.

    My opinion is a simple one. The BBC should be treated like any other TV corporation. It should be required to stand or fall on it's own merits or flaws. It should earn it's revenue by itself. We live in a different time. A digital age where our choice of entertainment and news providers is abundant.
    Choice. That's my biggest issue with licencing. If I want to watch Sky Sports I will purchase a Sky TV package that provides that. I have made that choice. Sky deserve my money for providing that service. With the BBC there is no choice. I either pay them to watch TV in general or no TV at all.
    I admit to being unabashedly left of center capitalist. Rightly or wrongly. And that requires a free market. What the BBC does with it's licensing fee feels very much against the idea of a free market.
    Though my generation, gen. X, do seem to be much less into TV in it's traditional form. Many seem to prefer streaming services (this is all hyperbole, I know) and those services do live or die by their merits and flaws. They have to compete.

    Anyway, that's my, admittedly, unasked for opinion. Sadly our household does pay the gangste... erm, I mean, BBC's fee but that's because my grandfather who I care for does watch some TV.

    Thanks again.
    P.U
    Last edited by PrometheusUnbound; 31-05-2018 at 1:58 AM.
    • cw18
    • By cw18 31st May 18, 8:03 AM
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    Sadly our household does pay the gangste... erm, I mean, BBC's fee but that's because my grandfather who I care for does watch some TV.
    Originally posted by PrometheusUnbound
    If you pay for one, I assume he's under 75? If not, then stop paying and claim the free one he's entitled to.
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