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    • MSE Archna
    • By MSE Archna 18th Mar 08, 11:39 AM
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    TV Licence article Discussion
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    • 18th Mar 08, 11:39 AM
    TV Licence article Discussion 18th Mar 08 at 11:39 AM


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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 8th Nov 17, 9:00 PM
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    If someone watch internet TV using their computer, can the BBC trace their details though the ISP?
    Originally posted by Blue_Max
    You need a TV Licence to watch the Internet-streamed versions of live TV channels from the UK.

    You don't need a TV Licence to watch catch-up, video-on-demand and non-UK TV channels via the Internet.

    Sorry, but I don't think MSE would want info of possible assistance to Licence evaders to be published here.

    There was a bit of a row last year about Wifi sniffing by the BBC, but it turned out to be a hoax.
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    • Blue_Max
    • By Blue_Max 8th Nov 17, 9:19 PM
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    But, thankfully, it's not mine or Cornucopia's money they are wasting.
    Originally posted by Bedsit Bob
    Read somewhere that according to the BBC's 2013/14 Annual Report BBC received
    244.6 million from government grants.

    So inappropriate spending BBC does cost the taxpayers.
    • Blue_Max
    • By Blue_Max 8th Nov 17, 9:25 PM
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    You need a TV Licence to watch the Internet-streamed versions of live TV channels from the UK.

    You don't need a TV Licence to watch catch-up, video-on-demand and non-UK TV channels via the Internet.

    Sorry, but I don't think MSE would want info of possible assistance to Licence evaders to be published here.

    There was a bit of a row last year about Wifi sniffing by the BBC, but it turned out to be a hoax.
    Originally posted by Cornucopia
    Cornucopia, I asked the question not to evade licence.
    I was trying to find out if ISPs are obliged to give account info to 3rd party companies. If so, that is a concern.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 8th Nov 17, 10:16 PM
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    Cornucopia, I asked the question not to evade licence.
    I was trying to find out if ISPs are obliged to give account info to 3rd party companies. If so, that is a concern.
    Originally posted by Blue_Max
    Okay. The answer is also somewhat complicated.

    The BBC has been instructed to begin obtaining subscriber details from Pay TV companies. Obviously, most of those companies are also ISPs. So, we're reliant on that process working properly to confine details solely to Pay TV subscribers. I don't think it's started yet.

    Historically, BBC-TVL has also had the option to subpoena Pay TV package details from Pay TV providers for an individual evader who has been identified. I don't know the exact mechanics or timing of this.
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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 9th Nov 17, 8:40 AM
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    Read somewhere that according to the BBC's 2013/14 Annual Report BBC received
    244.6 million from government grants.

    So inappropriate spending BBC does cost the taxpayers.
    Originally posted by Blue_Max
    Yes, for the time being.

    The main source of Government funding is the subsidy of the Free Over-75 Licences. This funding is being phased out, and Licence Fee payers will ultimately cover that cost.
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    • Chomeur
    • By Chomeur 4th Dec 17, 4:17 PM
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    If you just listen to BBC programs but don't watch them is that OK to do without a licence? Quite natural to do this with the news for instance.
    • Ebe Scrooge
    • By Ebe Scrooge 4th Dec 17, 4:35 PM
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    If you just listen to BBC programs but don't watch them is that OK to do without a licence? Quite natural to do this with the news for instance.
    Originally posted by Chomeur

    Do you mean listening on the radio ? If so then you don't need a licence ( assuming it's a standard FM / DAB / whatever radio ). But if you've got the news showing on your TV and just listening to it but not watching, then yes you do need a licence.


    In the olden days you used to need a radio licence to listen to the radio, but that was abolished a long time ago.
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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 4th Dec 17, 6:49 PM
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    If you had, say, a Freeview Box connected to a Hifi to play sound only, and no TV, then that wouldn't require a Licence.
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    • Chomeur
    • By Chomeur 4th Dec 17, 8:23 PM
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    Do you mean listening on the radio ? If so then you don't need a licence ( assuming it's a standard FM / DAB / whatever radio ). But if you've got the news showing on your TV and just listening to it but not watching, then yes you do need a licence.


    In the olden days you used to need a radio licence to listen to the radio, but that was abolished a long time ago.
    Originally posted by Ebe Scrooge
    I was thinking of tv broadcasts which are accessible through the BBC News website.

    What's your authority for saying that a licence is required? I would imagine that the relevant legislation refers to "watching".
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 4th Dec 17, 8:39 PM
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    I was thinking of tv broadcasts which are accessible through the BBC News website.
    Originally posted by Chomeur
    Which ones? The news clips that play in a small window, and are not branded with a Channel name or with iPlayer, do not require a Licence to view.

    What's your authority for saying that a licence is required? I would imagine that the relevant legislation refers to "watching".
    The legislation refers to "installation and use".
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    • ayotade
    • By ayotade 20th Dec 17, 9:11 AM
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    Please do I need tv licence to watch live program on YouTube.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 20th Dec 17, 9:47 AM
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    Please do I need tv licence to watch live program on YouTube.
    Originally posted by ayotade
    Which programme?

    You only need a Licence to watch TV broadcasts - and in the case of Youtube, this will only be the parallel live stream of TV channels, for example the Sky News live stream.

    Disclaimer: I have read the legislation and I believe that you do not need a Licence to watch the live streams of non-UK TV channels (those that do not broadcast in the UK via satellite, cable TV or terrestrial). However, TV Licensing say that you do. I have asked for further info on this, and an explanation of why their advice changed on this last year, and none has been forthcoming.
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    • ayotade
    • By ayotade 20th Dec 17, 9:57 AM
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    It's a live program from Nigeria on YouTube.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 20th Dec 17, 10:01 AM
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    It's a live program from Nigeria on YouTube.
    Originally posted by ayotade
    That should be fine, as long as the channel is not on Sky in the UK.

    But bear in mind my disclaimer - TV Licensing say you would need a TV Licence.
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    • ayotade
    • By ayotade 20th Dec 17, 11:28 AM
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    Its not UK tv program. It's a live event broadcast on YouTube from Nigeria by event organiser. So it's not tv based.
    • ayotade
    • By ayotade 20th Dec 17, 11:37 AM
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    Its not UK tv program. It's a live event broadcast on YouTube from Nigeria by event organiser. So it's not tv based.
    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 20th Dec 17, 11:46 AM
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    Its not UK tv program. It's a live event broadcast on YouTube from Nigeria by event organiser. So it's not tv based.
    Originally posted by ayotade
    Okay - it definitely does not require a TV Licence, then.
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    • rizla01
    • By rizla01 11th Jan 18, 5:02 PM
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    This is interesting.
    https://youtu.be/mQeKy1v-R-I

    Do you STILL pay a TV licence?
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    • Cornucopia
    • By Cornucopia 11th Jan 18, 5:57 PM
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    https://youtu.be/mQeKy1v-R-I

    Do you STILL pay a TV licence?
    Originally posted by rizla01
    Very amusing. What is it that they say about imitation?

    In case anyone is concerned, I doubt that there's anything there that is actually libellous. It's a combination of fair comment, fact and satire.

    It must have taken a fair amount of effort to put together, though.
    Last edited by Cornucopia; 11-01-2018 at 6:00 PM.
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    • waterman3
    • By waterman3 2nd Feb 18, 6:38 PM
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    I'm thinking of cancelling my tv licence and have a few questions:

    Am I allowed to watch BBC content on Youtube? Either on any of the BBC Youtube channels or on any other Youtube channels?

    Am I allowed to go to a friend's house, download a programme on the bbc iplayer app on my phone and watch it back at my house?

    Am I allowed to go to a friend's house go into the iplayer app on my phone and cast it to their tv on their chromecast?

    Am I allowed to watch live streams on Youtube? Either American TV or any other live content?

    I have a Now TV box. I assume the mere fact that it has an iplayer app (even though I won't use it) doesn't mean i need a licence.
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