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    • Pound
    • By Pound 5th Feb 08, 11:01 PM
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    • 5th Feb 08, 11:01 PM
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    • 5th Feb 08, 11:01 PM
    I bet Fluffy sleeps around and has no idea who the Dad is and just wants some kitten support. Karl should get a DNA test done first.

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    • 6th Feb 08, 3:23 AM
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    Please delete this post...
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    • 6th Feb 08, 3:24 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 3:24 AM
    Er... Susan should get the DNA test done. Karl could offer a saucer of milk.
  • DavesGranny
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    • 6th Feb 08, 6:16 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 6:16 AM
    If Susan didn't want kittens, she should have had Fluffy neutered.
    • tallgirld
    • By tallgirld 6th Feb 08, 7:11 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 7:11 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 7:11 AM
    No way!! First of all Tom might not even be the dad and secondly she should of got her cat sterilised!!!
    • toadhall
    • By toadhall 6th Feb 08, 8:18 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 8:18 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 8:18 AM
    no, could be any tom cat and she should have got the cat spayed long before kittens arrived!
    • bigpat
    • By bigpat 6th Feb 08, 8:28 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 8:28 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 8:28 AM
    Even if Tom is the Dad, Karl is still not responsible. I think there's actually a difference in law between cats and dogs. You are responsible for your dog's actions, but not those of your cat. It's something to do with their being more independent animals. Karl doesn't "own" that cat anymore than the cat owns him.
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    • By theonlyrick 6th Feb 08, 8:30 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 8:30 AM
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    • 6th Feb 08, 8:30 AM
    Both cats should have been neutered.

    If there was any reasonable proof it was Karl's tom, then a contribution would be a fair thing.

    Without proof it's the female cat's owner that has to bear the responsibility - hopefully she'll then get any offspring neutered as well.
    If less is more, think how much "more" more would be.
  • Mrs Thrify
    Susan could sell the kittens @ 8 weeks old, put an add in the paper, pet shop etc.... this would help pay the bills for food, cat litter .... Although Susan does want to keep cat and kittens, as they get bigger the house problen will get worse. The owner of the tom cat could offer to find new homes for half the kittens and not charge stud fee's. As for parting with money, I don't think so....
    • ringo_24601
    • By ringo_24601 6th Feb 08, 9:06 AM
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    This is really a question only Jeremy Kyle can answer..
  • BenL
    Susan knew the risks/situation when getting her female cat.

    If she didn't want to be lumbered with some kittens she should have had fluffy spayed.

    Its her problem only

    Ben
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  • cazrobinson
    susan should have had her cat neutred! and proberley will be able to afford it now after selling those kittens. Not really Karl's fault!
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  • wolf63
    They should both be ashamed of themselves - cats should be neutered. There is no excuse.

    The cats were merely doing what cats do. They are total innocents in all of this.

    I have no sympathy for the owner of the lady cat. My angelic little tom cat is watching me type and is in full agreement.
    • bazster
    • By bazster 6th Feb 08, 9:25 AM
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    That doesn't even begin to be a dilemma. If Susan didn't want Fluffy getting knocked up then she should have either had her neutered or kept her in.

    As for whether Tom really was the culprit, even if Susan caught Tom and Fluffy in flagrante that proves nothing. Indeed, it is possible that each kitten has a different father, female cats are not fussy! Asking for DNA evidence for *every* kitten should be enough to shut Susan up!

    But even if Tom is the father of one or more of the kittens, Karl is still not liable, not in law or morally. Depsite this, it's irresponsible of Karl not to have had Tom neuteured.
    • golddustmedia
    • By golddustmedia 6th Feb 08, 9:34 AM
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    Demand a CATernity test!
  • Broken hearted
    I feel for the kittens, the owners should be more responsible.
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    • Djolltax
    • By Djolltax 6th Feb 08, 10:15 AM
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    Csa??
    It's up to Susan to ensure her cat is neutered - who's to say the Tom is Karls' tomcat? Let Susan take her argument to the

    Cat Support Agency!!
  • chr1s23
    Susan's cat
    No. Karl has no obligation towards Susans dilema. If Susan had been responsible she woulkd have had her cat speyed.
    • JayD
    • By JayD 6th Feb 08, 10:47 AM
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    No, Karl should not feel obliged to pay.
    Fluffy should have been speyed if Susan didn't want her to have kittens.

    It would be a neighbourly gesture of Karl to offer a little bit of cash - but that depends entirely on his own financial circumstances and personal feelings.

    My feelings would be that they should get both cats 'done' pdq.
    And as for the kittens, let's hope Susan can find good homes for them with owners - ones a tad more responsible than she has been.
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