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    • malcyplop
    • By malcyplop 20th Jan 08, 9:12 AM
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    Toshiba HD-EP30 HD DVD Player. 119.99
    • #1
    • 20th Jan 08, 9:12 AM
    Toshiba HD-EP30 HD DVD Player. 119.99 20th Jan 08 at 9:12 AM
    At Play.com
    7 free HD-DVD's too.
    This will stir up the format war!
    http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/3497129/Toshiba-HD-EP30-HD-DVD-Player/Product.html

    Official MoneySavingExpert.com insert:

    This machine is also available at Amazon for the same price.

    Who's this for?

    This deal is only relevant to you if you've already invested in a high-definition TV with an HDMI input. If you've got an older telly you simply won't notice the difference, because it won't be able to display enough 'lines' of picture.

    What's good about it?

    Aside from playing the new high-res HD-DVDs, this box'll also 'upscale' the DVDs you already own, changing their resolution to fit your screen's. This can make a substantial difference, as many flat-screen TVs (especially LCD models) only look really good in their 'native' resolution, and on other settings shapes can appear blocky or lack sharpness.

    The inclusion of 7 HD-DVDs in the price is another major selling point; they usually retail at around £15 (or more) each, and you get to choose 5 of them yourself (you get a voucher with the player). The two that are included are The 300, and The Bourne Supremacy.

    Why's it so cheap?

    The reason for this low deal price (well, for such up-to-date technology) isn't that the player's sub-par; according to reviews it actually does the job really well.

    The issue here is that there's a format war between HD-DVD & Sony's Blu-Ray discs (think Beta v VHS all over again) and HD-DVD is losing. This means in a few years nobody'll produce the high res discs it plays. Thus, Toshiba's trying to push the hardware into people's homes so they'll invest in the HD-DVD format as a whole.

    Yet, at this price point, with 7 free high def films and great upscaling capabilities, even if HD DVD disappears in 5 years this still won't have been a bad buy (the cheapest Blu-Ray players still cost upwards of £200, without freebie discs). That said, it's not something to lavish the last of your paycheque on; if you can't easily afford it, play the waiting game; high def player prices will undoubtedly keep dropping this year.

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    Last edited by MSE Martin; 23-01-2008 at 9:21 AM.
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    • stephen25uk
    • By stephen25uk 20th Jan 08, 10:14 AM
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    • #2
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:14 AM
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    • 20th Jan 08, 10:14 AM
    excellent find,good price i ordered 1.i know there is a lot of debate and that blueray now looks like the winner,but 120 quid with 7 free films,what more do you have to say
    DO NOT ARGUE WITH A FOOL,THEY WILL DRAG YOU DOWN TO THERE LEVEL THEN BEAT YOU WITH EXPIERENCE
  • Save_Me
    • #3
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:16 AM
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    • 20th Jan 08, 10:16 AM
    B*ll*cks I just paid 180 to Empire Direct for this on tuesday

    *Storms off muttering how many HD DVD's he could have bought with the spare 60*
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  • Save_Me
    • #4
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:20 AM
    • #4
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:20 AM
    Thinking about buying this and sending it back to Empire Direct :confused:
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  • felix65
    • #5
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:21 AM
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    • 20th Jan 08, 10:21 AM
    it wont stir it up,its already lost thats why they are going cheap

    blu ray has won

    warner bros are to stop makin hd dvd in may are going blu ray.

    70% of movies will be blu ray only from may
    Val
  • Save_Me
    • #6
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:25 AM
    • #6
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:25 AM
    it wont stir it up,its already lost thats why they are going cheap

    blu ray has won

    warner bros are to stop makin hd dvd in may are going blu ray.

    70% of movies will be blu ray only from may
    Originally posted by felix65
    Not true in the UK. The studios that are tied to BlueRay are US studios, When they are released in the UK they go thriugh local distributors, and they have no such ties.

    read here for more details
    Last edited by Save_Me; 20-01-2008 at 10:30 AM. Reason: Add a link
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    • pingu
    • By pingu 20th Jan 08, 10:33 AM
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    • #7
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:33 AM
    • #7
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:33 AM
    it wont stir it up,its already lost thats why they are going cheap

    blu ray has won

    warner bros are to stop makin hd dvd in may are going blu ray.

    70% of movies will be blu ray only from may
    Originally posted by felix65
    is it worth buying then?

    i need a dvd player

    also anyone seen hddvd recorder with 250gig hd in netto reduced to 99
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    if i had known then what i know now!

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  • felix65
    • #8
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:35 AM
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    • 20th Jan 08, 10:35 AM
    Warner drops HD DVD in favor of Blu-ray

    In a potentially major upset in the conflict between movie standards, Warner Brothers today said it would drop its support for the HD DVD format, switching all its future titles to the competing Blu-ray standard for HD versions. The move is prompted by an evident shift by movie buyers towards the Blu-ray format and is meant both to consolidate Warner's efforts and prevent users from having to choose between competing formats for the same title. The choice is a reversal but a necessary one in an industry where the field appears to be destroying itself, Warner says. "Warner Bros. has produced in both high-definition formats in an effort to provide consumer choice, foster mainstream adoption and drive down hardware prices," says Warner chief Barry Meyer. "[But this] is a strategic decision focused on the long term and the most direct way to give consumers what they want. The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger."

    HD DVD versions of movies will continued to be produced until May 2008, when Warner switches to producing only Blu-ray titles as well as lower-resolution DVD discs.



    The decision could prove fatal to the primarily Toshiba-backed HD DVD format both for movie players and computers. As noted in previous leaks that have now been confirmed by the announcement, Warner's switch is expected to lead to 70 percent of all HD movies shipping only in Blu-ray, giving customers little incentive to buy either HD DVD movie readers or equivalent drives in computers. This is expected to have indirect repercussions for Microsoft, which has heavily endorsed HD DVD for both Windows PCs and through the Xbox 360's HD DVD add-on.

    Sony is often considered the chief proponent of Blu-ray but has also received support from several large AV and computer firms for the standard, including Dell and Pioneer. Other firms such as Apple and HP have so far remained relatively neutral and have either declined to commit to a particular format in hardware so far (in Apple's case) or have supported both (such as HP).
    Val
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    • #9
    • 20th Jan 08, 10:37 AM
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    • 20th Jan 08, 10:37 AM
    Blue Ray are not allowing Adult Movie producers to publish in BR so they are all going to HD DVD, and they have a very large operation.
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  • Macktv
    Not true in the UK. The studios that are tied to BlueRay are US studios, When they are released in the UK they go thriugh local distributors, and they have no such ties.

    read here for more details
    Originally posted by Save_Me
    Actually, the decision is for Warner worldwide, not just in the US, which is why Toshiba are cutting prices outside of the US.

    Personally, I'd kinda stay clear as they're simply trying to get rid of as much stock as possible before May and then I imagine they'll just abandon the whole thing. There's really no way they can win now. Buying this is like buying up a Betamax player when they were going out; it is a bargain but the support will be very limited.

    Oh, and there are porn films on Bluray anyway. Can't remember how but they've managed to get around that so HD DVD has nothing really.
    if i had known then what i know now
  • Macktv
    Since this is a money saving site, here's a few links to the latest weekly sales figures for HD sales, the first full week after the Warner announcement.
    http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/news/show/Industry_Trends/Disc_Sales/Blu-ray_Dominates_Disc_Sales_Chart_Post-Warner_Announcement/1383
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/18/bluray-squeezing-out-hd-_n_82247.html

    This is for US only. In a nutshell though, Bluray sold 85% of the HD discs for the week ending the 13th. This leaves HD DVD with only 15%, meaning sales are down 24% since before xmas, when they'd had a steady 39% share.
    if i had known then what i know now
  • Save_Me
    There are over 800 HD DVD's avaliable, BluRay have less than 1% of the total DVD market, They are not going to get 5% before the end of the year, so both formats will still be around for a while yet.
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  • jon_ll
    Not great reading for HD DVD:

    http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/01/21/hd_dvd_sales_slump/
  • MORPH3US
    Is blueray a sony technology then, or just backed by Sony!?!

    Reason I ask is because I hate Sony for the way they always try and screw everyone with their propriertry (sp?) technologies and try and charge the earth for them screwing other manufacturers and the consumer in the process...

    Sony Mini-disc anyone?
    UMD?
    M2 memory cards?

    They make my blood boil!!!
    • ashcarrot
    • By ashcarrot 22nd Jan 08, 11:10 PM
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    It is a sony technology and they knocked this up in super quick time to compete with HDDVD (HDDVD was a more publicly produced format and is complete unlike bluray where the players will have a "Profile" 1.0, 1.1 and 2.0 versions ie certain things on the discs wont play unless you have the most up to date player. I would have preferred HDDVD to win though theres still chance for a turnaround though the odds are stacked against them. However if by selling these players super quick they can get to the mass market (may be too late now) they're still in the game.
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    • telsco
    • By telsco 23rd Jan 08, 4:41 AM
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    telsco
    Blue Ray are not allowing Adult Movie producers to publish in BR so they are all going to HD DVD, and they have a very large operation.
    Originally posted by Save_Me
    You are incorrect. Adult films are available on Blu-ray.
    Sony will not allow their own production facilities to replicate adult material, but they assist other companies to make it.
  • BluMonkey
    Blue Ray are not allowing Adult Movie producers to publish in BR so they are all going to HD DVD, and they have a very large operation.
    Originally posted by Save_Me
    As stated above to the non knowledgable this looks like a good deal, but its not ... I would suggest people doing their research before posting or suggesting buying a HD player or you may as well go buy a betamax player for what its worth ... join http://www.blu-ray.com and get you facts right ... re Adult movies .... wrong again...

    Theyre becoming available ....

    "While the effect of adult films on the format war may be a heavily contested, the fact remains that there is a huge demand for this type of material. In Japan, the ability to release adult material on Blu-ray just got a whole lot easier. Assist Corp, who has handled most of the early adult Blu-ray content in Japan, has partnered with a company based in Taiwan to begin replication of adult titles. They are expected to begin production next month. Sony has long mandated that, while they will not allow their own production facilities to replicate adult material, they will assist any company which wants to do so. With the addition of this new production facility (which purchased the manufacturing equipment directly from Sony), adult content producers now have an additional outlet to manufacturer their features in high definition."

    "DIGITAL PLAYGROUND GOES BLU-RAY WITH PIRATES Blockbuster Adult Feature is DPs First Blu-ray Release"

    HD is dead Blu Ray is the new format, dont take my word for it ...

    "A new NPD Group report shows that stand-alone Blu-ray player sales benefited greatly from the recent announcement that Warner would be going Blu-ray exclusive. The first week of January, before Warner made their announcement, there was a nearly 50-50 split between Blu-ray and HD DVD standalone players. The following week, after the announcement, Blu-ray players grabbed 93% of the market.

    On the whole, December sales data showed that Blu-ray players held 60% of the standalone market, despite much cheaper players from the HD DVD camp. Looking at only the first two weeks of January, Blu-ray already has a nearly 70% market share which is sure to increase as the month continues and consumers continue to chose Blu-ray over its rival format."

    In the wake of the Warner announcements, major retailers are shifting focus to the Blu-ray format in hopes of accelerating the end of the format war. Trans World Entertainment, Newbury Comics, Video Buyers Group members and Hastings Entertainment are all beginning to emphasize Blu-ray as the next generation high definition format in hopes to spur growth in the relatively small market.

    Mark Higgins, Trans World VP of DVD, videogames and consumer electronics merchandising commented, "As retailers, we need to simplify things for the consumers as much as we can with merchandising one format. We don't want to be biased, but that is clearly the direction that high-def production looks to be going."

    Many retailers, especially online retailers with no shelf space limitations, will continue to offer both formats, but have been and will continue to order more copies of Blu-ray titles versus HD DVD titles due to demand. "Although it looks like the writing may be on the wall, DVDEmpire will continue to push both formats equally until our customers show there is no longer any demand for one format or the other," remarked DVDEmpire editorial director Shannon Nutt."

    :rolleyes:

    "
  • BluMonkey
    There are over 800 HD DVD's avaliable, BluRay have less than 1% of the total DVD market, They are not going to get 5% before the end of the year, so both formats will still be around for a while yet.
    Originally posted by Save_Me
    Until one format wins and one backs out the Hi def market cant move forward, which is why Warner Bros have taken a stand...

    "The window of opportunity for high-definition DVD could be missed if format confusion continues to linger," Warner Bros. chairman-CEO Barry Meyer seconded.

    Spend £100 more and get Blu ... I buy all my BD from amazon.co.uk from US sellers for less than £10 inc delivery ...

    www.amazon.co.uk have deal @ the moment on a sharp player:


    Sharp BD-HP20H - Blu Ray DVD Player - With 1080P Full HD
    Was:£299.99 Price:£229.99 & this item Delivered FREE in the UK with Super Saver Delivery. You Save:£70.00 (23%)
    Availability: In stock. Dispatched from and sold by Amazon.co.uk.
    Last edited by BluMonkey; 23-01-2008 at 9:38 AM.
  • moggsy
    This is a fantastic price for a great DVD player. The fact that it plays HD DVD and that you get 7 HD DVD's with it is a major bonus whether the format loses the war or not.

    This can in no way be compared to buying a Betamax recorder.
  • BluMonkey
    This is a fantastic price for a great DVD player. The fact that it plays HD DVD and that you get 7 HD DVD's with it is a major bonus whether the format loses the war or not.

    This can in no way be compared to buying a Betamax recorder.
    Originally posted by moggsy
    Your right ... I think there are good deals @ the moment on none digital TV's too what will it matter if you cant get a signal in a few years ... they are cheap
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