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    • MSE Jenny
    • By MSE Jenny 3rd Dec 07, 11:18 AM
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    MSE Jenny
    MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Is Del a plonker for flogging Wiis on eBay?
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    • 3rd Dec 07, 11:18 AM
    MONEY MORAL DILEMMA. Is Del a plonker for flogging Wiis on eBay? 3rd Dec 07 at 11:18 AM
    Here's this week's hypothetical situation for you to cogitate on:

    Is Del a plonker for flogging Wiis on eBay?

    Del's a MoneySaver who often frequents this site's forum, looking for bargains. Del watches the Nintendo Wii-hunting thread, where people post when the sought-after consoles become available. He repeatedly buys up the Wiis, flogging them on eBay for a cushty profit. Del’s brother, Rodney, says he’s a plonker for profiteering from Christmas and depriving kids of pressies. But Del argues if people are willing to pay that price, then it’s fair enough; he’s offering a service to people who’d rather pay extra than spend hours searching. Is Del a plonker for flogging Wiis on eBay?


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  • Souleater
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    • 4th Dec 07, 9:29 PM
    Market Price
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    • 4th Dec 07, 9:29 PM
    By its very nature an auction forces the bidder to pay what the item is worth to them. So if Del can make a good profit selling on eBay, he should do so.

    Most of the traders making serious money on eBay (and I'm not one of them) do so through hard work and excellent knowledge of market trends.
    If a buyer wants to buy a Wii console at retail price, then they can do what Del does - read the forums, find the stock, and buy it.

    Is the current Wii shortage an artificial creation by Nintendo? Probably.

    Should we despise Del and the other eBay profiteers? Well, why not - it costs nothing, and leaves us with a appropriate holier-than-thou feeling at this festive time.

    Flame on...

    SE.
  • msasim
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    • 5th Dec 07, 2:44 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 2:44 AM
    I see absolutely nothing wrong with what Del is doing.

    Firstly he is providing a service. Wiis are impossible to find these days anywhere so those desperate for one can get one from him.

    He is spending time and money searching and putting them on ebay hence he should be compensated for the effort.

    Plus he is not forcing anybody to buy it from him.If people want a wii from him they can, if not they can spend some time and search one for themselves.

    If he is making a few quid in the process , good for him and good luck !
    • tallgirld
    • By tallgirld 5th Dec 07, 7:10 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 7:10 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 7:10 AM
    There is nothing wrong with what he is doing at all
    • bergy2
    • By bergy2 5th Dec 07, 7:46 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 7:46 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 7:46 AM
    Del can do it but Del shouldn't expect others to slag him off if he advertises the fact he's done it - keep quiet and get rich Del - thats my advice lol
    • justjayne01
    • By justjayne01 5th Dec 07, 8:01 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 8:01 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 8:01 AM
    <P>I absolutely deplore people like "Del" and I think it shouldn't be allowed, particularly with items like the much sought after Wii.</P>
    <P>I am one of those searching for this console and looked on eBay in the beginning. One profiteer had a "Best Offer" button so I offered the going rate (all I can afford anyway!) of 180, for the basic package. I was told that he wanted his "Buy it Now" price of 300 or nothing!</P>
    <P>So all-in-all, that knob was willing to say that he would accept a best offer, but wasn't willing to accept it. There are used Wii consoles going for more than they were brand new, on eBay, its disgusting that others are willing to cash in on 1)Christmas and 2) others desperation!<IMG alt=0 src="http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/images/smilies/angry-smiley-030.gif" border=0 smilieid="8"> </P>
  • krishna
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    • 5th Dec 07, 8:57 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 8:57 AM
    its disgusting that others are willing to cash in on 1)Christmas and 2) others desperation!
    Originally posted by justjayne01
    This is hardly an essential item. It's not water, heat, light, air, food. So at the end of the day it really doesn't matter whether we have one now, later or not at all. Besides, wait a short while and the price will be plummeting. If Del wants take a gamble and try to make a profit from selling a few items, that's up to him. There's plenty else out there that you can give the kids.
    • payless
    • By payless 5th Dec 07, 9:05 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 9:05 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 9:05 AM
    so long as he's paying tax on his profits and providing the correct consumer rights to his "customers" suppose its not wrong ( whats the chances of that though)

    Think this story has been acted thro' in real life many times on these boards, with people trawling thro' for goods ( and not giving back anything to the MSE community) buying up 20x for resale .. shame
    Any posts on here are for information and discussion purposes only and shouldn't be seen as (financial) advice.
  • Edinburghlass
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    • 5th Dec 07, 9:14 AM
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    • 5th Dec 07, 9:14 AM
    I've looked at the Wii thread a couple of times and generally most of the people who post that they have "sold two this week on Ebay" are just posting to wind people up as what they say is patently untrue.

    What I do object to, and have reported them, are the people who attempt to profit from MSE users but sadly as payless says, it isn't the first time and it won't be the last.
    Martin has asked me to tell you that I'm the Board Guide of the Telephones, Reclaim Bank Charges, Silver Savers and Scotland boards which means I'm a volunteer to help the boards run smoothly and I can move and merge threads there. Pease remember, board guides don't read every post. If you spot an illegal or inappropriate post then please report it to forumteam@moneysavingexpert.com. Board guides don't deal with this. Any views are mine and not the official line of MoneySavingExpert.
  • sluggy1967
    I agree with Payless, so long as he is declaring the tax, I guess it's ok.

    Although I always think it's nice to help yourself to a bargain but leave plenty for everyone else!
  • Father_Jack
    I personally don't have a problem with what Del is doing, after all isn't this what every sales company does - Sell goods for more than they paid for them ? I'm sure that most of the people who think this is wrong are actually annoyed that they didn't think of it in the first place.
  • Dazwilly
    Del a Plonker? Could Be!
    That all depends on whether he has checked the Final Value Fee from ebay, reaching 9% for video games! That is on top of the insertion fee.
    So, to all the people who don't agree with what Del is doing, what about ebay?
    Particularly the Final Value Fees which have been set for "Toys and Games" for the period October to 31st December! Is that obviously cashing in on Christmas demand or is it just my view?

    Merry Christmas
  • luwpergwin
    Del is out to make a profit, shame on him. Maybe he has mouths to feed, debts to pay. Maybe he's been to the dark side and vowed never to go back.

    If we are talking ethics here, his ethics are no worse than the big supermarkets who screw farmers till they go bust so they can keep profits up and shareholders happy. And we love them regardless.

    There is a niche in any market and someone will find it.

    It's the people who climb through windows and steal Wii's this christmas we need to worry about.
  • luwpergwin
    That all depends on whether he has checked the Final Value Fee from ebay, reaching 9% for video games! That is on top of the insertion fee.
    So, to all the people who don't agree with what Del is doing, what about ebay?
    Particularly the Final Value Fees which have been set for "Toys and Games" for the period October to 31st December! Is that obviously cashing in on Christmas demand or is it just my view?

    Merry Christmas
    Originally posted by Dazwilly
    Strong point, I agree.

    Maybe its easier for us to focus hate on individual than an organisation.:confused:
    • Ghost
    • By Ghost 5th Dec 07, 10:06 AM
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    Ghost
    I believe that Del's actions - whilst they may be lawful (unless he's not declaring tax) - are not in keeping with the true spirit of the MSE forum.

    Payless is right, "this story has been acted thro' in real life many times on these boards".

    Many times in a supermarket I have been denied a special offer because the person with the trolley in front has stacked it up with that offer and the shelf is left empty. And the same goes here at MSE. People should take what they need for their own personal use and not be so selfish.
    "He who asks questions cannot avoid the answers"
    • CheeseOnToast
    • By CheeseOnToast 5th Dec 07, 10:29 AM
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    I don't see anything wrong with it at all!

    If I could make a few extra quid now then I would, I'm in debt, have a son, another on the way, a mortgage, couldn't get any overtime last month so I'm in !!!! now all the way over the festive period.. lovely!

    If people are willing to pay the price then what is he doing wrong?

    For everyone who cries about they can't get one at the normal price then they need to get more organised.

    It has been clear for about 6 months that the Wii was going to be the sell out item this Christmas

    Phil
    • CheeseOnToast
    • By CheeseOnToast 5th Dec 07, 10:29 AM
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    And to be honest, I am constantly seeing people on this forum exploiting loopholes or scamming tesco with the R&R's etc

    This is just another loophole in the arsenal of money saving as far as I'm concerned
    • JayD
    • By JayD 5th Dec 07, 10:32 AM
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    Maybe not in keeping with the spirit of the MSE forum but certainly in keeping with the laws of supply and demand in a capital culture. Dell is doing what all businesses do - buying cheap and selling high. Just because he isn't dong it from some glass fonted emporium doesn't make him any less a businessman. He is doing the research, laying out the capital, advertising his goods, packing and posting - and taking the risks. He is working for his profit. If buyers want their Wiis cheaper, they can do the same research that Del is doing. Let's face it, he is providing a service and charging what the current market is willing to pay. Nowt wrong with that
  • lukemarson
    I don't hear anyone moaning about the shops that sell them at a profit - what's the difference?

    It's not in the spirit of MSE to use this site to find where they are and the nbuy them up, but essentially buying and selling is what every shop does and I don't hear people moaning that Woolworths is making profit out of selling items like Wii's.

    Woolworths bully the music industry into forcing them to sell them their product for next to nothing and yet people are moaning because one individual is being entrepreneurial and doing what shops do but on a smaller scale.
    • stuart07970
    • By stuart07970 5th Dec 07, 10:46 AM
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    Hi

    I'm one of the guilty involved, and yes its helping to reduce my debts.

    Someone mentioned 9% on eBay, but what about the mighty Amazon.co.uk
    they charge their 'marketplace' sellers 15%, thats 45.99 on a sale of 299.
    (and enforce a postage fee of 1.99! - let me know where i ship via an insured service for that!)

    you'll also find that many traders are having to buy software at an inflated price, which they then have to sell on at a substantial loss.

    So no, its not all gravy! But its helping my debts !
    (i await my stoning from my fellow forum members):rolleyes:
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