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    • CAPPELLA
    • By CAPPELLA 14th Jan 20, 6:55 PM
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    PCN from civil enforcement ltd
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    • 14th Jan 20, 6:55 PM
    PCN from civil enforcement ltd 14th Jan 20 at 6:55 PM
    Civil Enforcement Ltd sent me a PCN in the post (re parking for 4hrs in a 2hr free car park) which I contested.
    I have appealed to the local Co-op without luck and will now write to the Co-op CEO as someone else on this forum did successfully albeit a few years ago
    However in expectation of a rejection from CEL I am putting together a POPLA appeal from posts on this forum and to this end please could you comment on the following points:
    - It was dark and the signs were not illuminated therefore could not be read.
    - The entrance sign was at 90deg (ie ‘edge on’) to the line of approach so could not be seen by the driver from the car.
    - The entrance sign was partly obscured by tree branches
    - There is no mention of POFA or BPA on the PCN or the internal car park signs but there is on the entrance sign.
    - I have not named the driver
    - My wife is the registered keeper. If this goes to court will she have to appear in person or can I stand in for her. The fine would be cheaper than a divorce.


    I have taken all relevant photos/video evidence.
    Bob
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    • Coupon-mad
    • By Coupon-mad 15th Jan 20, 3:33 AM
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    • 15th Jan 20, 3:33 AM
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    • 15th Jan 20, 3:33 AM
    Firstly, can I ask, what happened in your Minster Baywatch POPLA one, can you update this old thread please with an outcome (not here):

    https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?p=75526981#post75526981

    Re this new CEL one now at POPLA stage:

    There is no mention of POFA or BPA on the PCN or the internal car park signs but there is on the entrance sign.
    Never mind the signs. CEL tend not to use the POFA nowadays so your wife cannot be held liable and will win at POPLA if she words it well.

    - I have not named the driver
    I hope you mean your WIFE did the appeal as keeper and didn't name the driver?

    Also, as you have had several PCNs and are getting more between you, why don't you both start covering your number-plates when you leave retail premises to avoid an exit photo?

    You will never get a PCN if the ANPR gets no 'VRN capture' on exit...really simple.

    To be clear:
    I am not saying people should break clear rules set by landowners or set out to overstay BUT if held up and you know a scammer infests the car park with ANPR at entrance and exit, why don't people just cover their numberplate and keep something in the glovebox (duct tape or a piece of material or cardboard and tape) for that purpose?

    I mean it. You need to protect your data and stop handing it over on a plate. Tell your wife! Yes it is perfectly legal on private land - search the forum...
    Last edited by Coupon-mad; 15-01-2020 at 3:38 AM.
    PRIVATE 'PCN'? DON'T PAY BUT DON'T IGNORE IT UNLESS IN SCOTLAND OR NI
    TWO Clicks needed Look up, top of the page:
    Main site>>Forums>Household & Travel>Motoring>Parking Tickets Fines & Parking - read the NEWBIES THREAD
    • The Deep
    • By The Deep 15th Jan 20, 9:44 AM
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    • 15th Jan 20, 9:44 AM
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    • 15th Jan 20, 9:44 AM
    Nine times out of ten these tickets are scams, so consider complaining to your MP, it can cause the scammer extra costs and work, and has been known to get the charge cancelled.

    Parliament is well aware of the MO of these private parking companies, many of whom are former clampers, and on 15th March 2019 a Bill was enacted to curb the excesses of these shysters. Codes of Practice are being drawn up, an independent appeals service will be set up, and access to the DVLA's date base more rigorously policed, persistent offenders denied access to the DVLA database and unable to operate.

    Hopefully life will become impossible for the worst of these scammers, but until this is done you should still complain to your MP, citing the new legislation.

    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2019/8/contents/enacted

    Just as the clampers were finally closed down, so hopefully will many of these Private Parking Companies.
    You never know how far you can go until you go too far.
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