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    • moneysaverz83
    • By moneysaverz83 14th Jan 20, 6:29 PM
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    Wire transfer - refunds?
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    • 14th Jan 20, 6:29 PM
    Wire transfer - refunds? 14th Jan 20 at 6:29 PM
    If you sent a large amount of cash to an overseas business account via one of the wire transfer services advertised here (Azimo) funded by a UK debit card account, and there was an issue with the item (didn't arrive, damaged etc), would there be any comeback/protection for the consumer?



    I'm sure there will be no issue, but payment cleared yesterday, so awaiting confirmation their end, but I tend to get paranoid with these types of transfers especially higher value.
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    • moneysaverz83
    • By moneysaverz83 15th Jan 20, 7:29 PM
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    Would I have more protection doing the transfer through my nationwide flex account or select cc? That's how I've done it before elsewhere, and just swallowed the bad rates / charge
    • esuhl
    • By esuhl 15th Jan 20, 8:56 PM
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    Wire transfers are like posting someone cash... without the risk of it getting lost in the post.


    I've only seen scam artists demanding payment by wire transfer, so I'd steer well clear.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 15th Jan 20, 9:35 PM
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    Would I have more protection doing the transfer through my nationwide flex account or select cc? That's how I've done it before elsewhere, and just swallowed the bad rates / charge
    Originally posted by moneysaverz83
    No. The payment you are making in exchange for the goods/service is still going to be paid by the transfer company so it doesn't matter how you fund the transaction with the transfer company as it will still be an unprotected transfer from that company.

    Two separate contracts.
    Money doesn't solve poverty.....it creates it.
    • moneysaverz83
    • By moneysaverz83 15th Jan 20, 10:41 PM
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    Wire transfers are like posting someone cash... without the risk of it getting lost in the post.


    I've only seen scam artists demanding payment by wire transfer, so I'd steer well clear.
    Originally posted by esuhl

    We perhaps mix in different circles. My hobby is certain high value rarities / collectibles. Overseas business often deal in wire transfers. I did 2 last year totalling nearly 15k without issue because I know the business who were selling goods. My worry with this person / business, I haven't dealt with or read reviews with them. But they've been in business nearly 30 years.



    I'm going to think on it.
    • moneysaverz83
    • By moneysaverz83 15th Jan 20, 10:45 PM
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    Apart from PayPal, what are my other choices for paying them in a protected fashion ? I have PayPal and cc
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 15th Jan 20, 11:26 PM
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    Apart from PayPal, what are my other choices for paying them in a protected fashion ? I have PayPal and cc
    Originally posted by moneysaverz83
    If you mean protection for the goods/services then you're only going to get that if you pay the retailer directly (no third party) using a method that offers such protection and that they accept. If you use unprotected transfers like bank transfer or wire transfer then it doesn't matter how you fund the transfer. You won't have any payment protection for the goods/services.

    How sure are you that this person/company is who they claim to be? Not uncommon for them to try and hijack genuine businesses. They even target them specifically as they can defraud a customer base in a short period (for example by emailing them asking them to make payment by transfer) and then disappear with the money while you & the trader are left arguing about who should be liable for your loss.
    Money doesn't solve poverty.....it creates it.
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 15th Jan 20, 11:29 PM
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    We perhaps mix in different circles. My hobby is certain high value rarities / collectibles. Overseas business often deal in wire transfers. I did 2 last year totalling nearly 15k without issue because I know the business who were selling goods. My worry with this person / business, I haven't dealt with or read reviews with them. But they've been in business nearly 30 years.



    I'm going to think on it.
    Originally posted by moneysaverz83
    Whats the value? Typically high value items like paintings, antiques, collectibles etc have agents/dealers who will act as escrow, verifying payment & product in the process.

    If its niche, they should have a reputation within the community so start there.
    Money doesn't solve poverty.....it creates it.
    • boo_star
    • By boo_star 16th Jan 20, 12:53 AM
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    We perhaps mix in different circles. My hobby is certain high value rarities / collectibles. Overseas business often deal in wire transfers. I did 2 last year totalling nearly 15k without issue because I know the business who were selling goods. My worry with this person / business, I haven't dealt with or read reviews with them. But they've been in business nearly 30 years.



    I'm going to think on it.
    Originally posted by moneysaverz83
    Say all this in a Spanish accent and twirl the moustache a bit.

    Extra points for judicious use of "my friend" or "mi amigo."
    • moneysaverz83
    • By moneysaverz83 16th Jan 20, 8:22 PM
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    If you mean protection for the goods/services then you're only going to get that if you pay the retailer directly (no third party) using a method that offers such protection and that they accept. If you use unprotected transfers like bank transfer or wire transfer then it doesn't matter how you fund the transfer. You won't have any payment protection for the goods/services.

    How sure are you that this person/company is who they claim to be? Not uncommon for them to try and hijack genuine businesses. They even target them specifically as they can defraud a customer base in a short period (for example by emailing them asking them to make payment by transfer) and then disappear with the money while you & the trader are left arguing about who should be liable for your loss.
    Originally posted by unholyangel

    I don't know if you actually use PayPal, but it is totally covered for goods as long as you pay not using friends / family and preferably do with a credit card. Hence why its linked with ebay and now part of the same company.



    Anyway, I told the business that I do not want to fund with wire transfer and will happily walk away. They have decided to accept PayPal as long as it is sent to the registered address. The PayPal invoice specifies the item being purchased and I also have a direct business invoice too.



    My concerns are alleviated and I'll be proceeding once the wire relays the original payment back to me.



    I also gave them the options of direct cc payment or escrow in the UK.
    • moneysaverz83
    • By moneysaverz83 16th Jan 20, 8:26 PM
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    Say all this in a Spanish accent and twirl the moustache a bit.

    Extra points for judicious use of "my friend" or "mi amigo."
    Originally posted by boo_star
    I was pointing out his silly point that wire is only used by scammers..



    I sent two large wires last year totalling 15k, goods received perfect.
    I received a wire from America for an item I sold for over 8k by someone I never met, last week



    My point is, in this situation I felt uncomfortable with this particular method
    • unholyangel
    • By unholyangel 16th Jan 20, 9:12 PM
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    I don't know if you actually use PayPal, but it is totally covered for goods as long as you pay not using friends / family and preferably do with a credit card. Hence why its linked with ebay and now part of the same company.



    Anyway, I told the business that I do not want to fund with wire transfer and will happily walk away. They have decided to accept PayPal as long as it is sent to the registered address. The PayPal invoice specifies the item being purchased and I also have a direct business invoice too.



    My concerns are alleviated and I'll be proceeding once the wire relays the original payment back to me.



    I also gave them the options of direct cc payment or escrow in the UK.
    Originally posted by moneysaverz83
    Its actually not. You're only covered for item not received or if the goods you receive are significantly not as described. Using paypal removes your credit card protection if the funds go via a paypal account - because as I have repeatedly tried to explain to you...in those instances you are paying the transfer company (in this case paypal) from your card but you are paying the retailer via paypal. So it doesn't matter how you fund your paypal account, because it won't give you any additional rights.
    Money doesn't solve poverty.....it creates it.
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