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    • Danp321
    • By Danp321 14th Jan 20, 5:12 AM
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    home damage advice
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    • 14th Jan 20, 5:12 AM
    home damage advice 14th Jan 20 at 5:12 AM
    Hello, I was wondering if anyone could give me some quick advice, me and my partner moved in to an old property in October 2018 where after 4 months we had found that water was escaping all round the bathroom and the ceiling collapsed and know we need a new bath room and ceiling as well as recently discovering that there’s a problem with the roof and now water is coming in to the bedroom just wondering could there be any responsibility with the previous owner as nothing was picked up when we bought it ?
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    • _shel
    • By _shel 14th Jan 20, 5:14 AM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 5:14 AM
    Hello, I was wondering if anyone could give me some quick advice, me and my partner moved in to an old property in October 2018 where after 4 months we had found that water was escaping all round the bathroom and the ceiling collapsed and know we need a new bath room and ceiling as well as recently discovering that there’s a problem with the roof and now water is coming in to the bedroom just wondering could there be any responsibility with the previous owner as nothing was picked up when we bought it ?
    Originally posted by Danp321
    What did your survey say about the roof?
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    • Darkslider
    • By Darkslider 14th Jan 20, 7:36 AM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 7:36 AM
    You might have an avenue with the surveyor but our (RICS Homebuyers) survey came with several pages of terms and conditions that basically said: we're only human and we might miss things or not be able to see absolutely everything, so it's still up to you to make sure you're happy with the condition of the property on purchase and any problems with it are yours to deal with.

    I'd be surprised if you haven't got similar but it's worth investigating.
    • BoGoF
    • By BoGoF 14th Jan 20, 8:01 AM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 8:01 AM
    Seeing as it's an 'old property' you did pay for your own independant survey?
    • davidmcn
    • By davidmcn 14th Jan 20, 8:24 AM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 8:24 AM
    Given how significant the problems appear, it would seem odd for them to go undetected for 4 months. Certainly no hope of a claim against the seller anyway, potentially against the surveyor (if there was a survey...) if they failed to pick up on something which they ought to have.
    • AdrianC
    • By AdrianC 14th Jan 20, 8:55 AM
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    • 14th Jan 20, 8:55 AM
    Given how significant the problems appear, it would seem odd for them to go undetected for 4 months.
    Originally posted by davidmcn
    4mo for the bathroom leak - but 15mo for the roof leaks...
    • davidmcn
    • By davidmcn 14th Jan 20, 9:03 AM
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    4mo for the bathroom leak - but 15mo for the roof leaks...
    Originally posted by AdrianC
    Oh yes. Still can't get used to this new-fangled year...even less hope for the OP then if they want to persuade anybody that this was a pre-existing problem.
    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 14th Jan 20, 9:27 AM
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    just wondering could there be any responsibility with the previous owner as nothing was picked up when we bought it ?
    Originally posted by Danp321

    I can't understand how someone who last owned the property over a year ago can have any responsibility for its condition now.
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    • cattie
    • By cattie 14th Jan 20, 9:30 AM
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    You can't blame problems on previous owners if these leaks have only been discovered & you having already owned the property for this length of time. When buying the house if there had been existing water problems for a reasonable length of time there would have been damp marks showing in the bedroom where water was coming in & also on the ceiling of the room below the bathroom.

    Older properties do require regular maintenance & after heavy rain the rooms below the roof should be checked for any water inlet. This is something I did religiously to satisfy myself that there were no roof problems.
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    • ess0two
    • By ess0two 14th Jan 20, 9:38 AM
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    I can't understand how someone who last owned the property over a year ago can have any responsibility for its condition now.
    Originally posted by Davesnave

    Its like this for anything you sell now,people seem to think they get a lifetime warranty,its a minefield.
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    • Puflet
    • By Puflet 14th Jan 20, 9:46 AM
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    Sadly, after all this time, the property's condition is nobody's responsibility but your own.

    Presumably there weren't water stains when the property was initially inspected, so the problems with the bathroom plumbing and roof seem to have developed since. Previous owners can't be held liable for repairs which happen after they move on.

    However, have you checked your buildings insurance policy to see if they would be able to help? You wouldn't be covered for the roof leak ('wear and tear'), but you might well be able to claim the costs of redecorating and making good the damage caused by the roof leak .

    You don't say how old your house is, but I know from personal experience that old houses, though they may be charming and full of character, do take a lot of maintenance. I once told my next door neighbour that it felt as though I was living permanently in a house 'under construction' - and he responded that it was 'one of the joys of owning a cottage'!

    Good luck with all this!
    • MobileSaver
    • By MobileSaver 14th Jan 20, 10:17 AM
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    moved in to an old property in October 2018 ... recently discovering that there’s a problem with the roof ... could there be any responsibility with the previous owner?
    Originally posted by Danp321
    The simple answer is no.

    Even if you had discovered the problem just 15 days after moving in the answer would be the same so after 15 months...

    As others have said the only possible recourse would be if your surveyor/survey missed something but the chances of that are somewhat remote; the bottom line is what did your survey say about the roof?
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    • maisie cat
    • By maisie cat 14th Jan 20, 10:17 AM
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    It's part & parcel of owning property, we've just moved into a house that has damp problems mostly caused by leaky gutters & windows. We viewed it 4 times, all on dry days and the furniture was cleverly placed in front of the damaged sections of wall. Nothing we can do, we've repaired some bits and others will have to wait until the weather improves. You'll be wasting time & money going after the vendors
    • Exodi
    • By Exodi 14th Jan 20, 11:01 AM
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    Presumably there weren't water stains when the property was initially inspected, so the problems with the bathroom plumbing and roof seem to have developed since.
    Originally posted by Puflet
    This isn't strictly fair; there's nothing to suggest a seller, when selling a house that had cracks or signs of damp, wouldn't just fill/sand/paint all the walls just before putting it on the market.

    With that said, having just bought a house myself and noticing 'leaky' plumbing in several places almost immediately, I'm dumbfounded that the OP is suggesting that there were no signs in the four months up to the ceiling collapsing...

    Similarly, not checking the roof on an old property they've purchased till it physically leaks into the rooms below some 15 months after purchase?

    At least it's still early to remedy the roof - climb in the attic and check if the water is pooling anywhere else then get round a roofer.
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    • Exodi
    • By Exodi 14th Jan 20, 11:02 AM
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    Oh and as per the others in this thread, pursing the previous owner would be a complete waste of time and money.
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    • G_M
    • By G_M 14th Jan 20, 11:33 AM
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    Seller? After 18 months. No.

    Likewise surveyor, as you'd never be able to prove a) that the problem existed at the time of the survey and b) that it should have been picked up

    Insurance? Possibly. Read the policy. Might come under storm damage.
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    • Davesnave
    • By Davesnave 14th Jan 20, 1:45 PM
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    Its like this for anything you sell now,people seem to think they get a lifetime warranty,its a minefield.
    Originally posted by ess0two
    I know; I've just come from a conversation with a neighbour who thinks maybe the person at the Land Registry who drew the red boundary line on his title plan might have made an error....

    I told him, "You should have had that thought in 2002 when you purchased!"

    But he's still not happy......
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    • ess0two
    • By ess0two 14th Jan 20, 2:14 PM
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    I know; I've just come from a conversation with a neighbour who thinks maybe the person at the Land Registry who drew the red boundary line on his title plan might have made an error....

    I told him, "You should have had that thought in 2002 when you purchased!"

    But he's still not happy......
    Originally posted by Davesnave

    Slightly off-topic, try selling a car nowadays, I had someone return to my address with a car 6 wks after selling,due to a knocking noise?

    The back box was swinging in the wind,needed a new rubber mount..told them not to bother me in future.
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    • lincroft1710
    • By lincroft1710 14th Jan 20, 2:48 PM
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    home damage advice

    Get it properly repaired as soon as possible
    • DCFC79
    • By DCFC79 14th Jan 20, 8:28 PM
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    OP I hope you have contscted someone to have a look at the issues you list.

    No harm in asking the previous seller but I can imagine the response.

    Come back and let us know what you plan to do.
    Last edited by DCFC79; 14-01-2020 at 8:33 PM.
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