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    • annapantscats
    • By annapantscats 27th Nov 07, 6:49 PM
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    • 27th Nov 07, 6:49 PM
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    • 27th Nov 07, 6:49 PM
    No, they should stand in the aisle and entertain the other passengers with a rendition of 'Last train to Clarksville' by the Monkees
    2008 gig list... Nickelback + Staind (OMG...Staind ROCKED!!), Roger Waters, Infadels, Pendulum, The Police, K T Tunstall, Breed 77, Biffy Clyro....oh, and Motorhead
    • luxor4t
    • By luxor4t 27th Nov 07, 9:44 PM
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    • 27th Nov 07, 9:44 PM
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    • 27th Nov 07, 9:44 PM
    If it is Saturday or Sunday and they are travelling from Wales they can pay £10 supplement to the ticket collector and travel first class - with free drinks.

    First Great Western say:
    "Weekend First
    Upgrade from Standard to First Class at weekends and Bank Holidays for a small supplement. Buy in advance at ticket offices and on board high speed services."

    I paid £10 from London all the way back to Abertawe, and thought it was worth every penny!
    Last edited by luxor4t; 28-11-2007 at 7:06 AM.
  • ajbaker
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    • 27th Nov 07, 11:51 PM
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    • 27th Nov 07, 11:51 PM
    Given the quality and reliability of the train service in this country, I believe they should sit in first class. If you pay to travel by train you must surely have the right to a seat (and I can fully believe there is not a single seat to sit in, let alone two together) - if there are none in cattle class go sit in fancy seat cover class (that is the only different isn't it)?

    Alternatively for a comfortable and relaxing journey, drive.
  • hana5
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    • 27th Nov 07, 11:54 PM
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    • 27th Nov 07, 11:54 PM
    It dpends how much getting the party started is worth cos they'll b charged an upgrade for sitting in the 1st class seats. I came across this when, due to technical probs several trains had been canx, and as a result, when a train finally arrived, there was a lack of seats (with the exception of the 1st class seats!). Being very tired, i sat myself in a 1st class seat (just to have somewhere to sit - i didnt help myself to the coffee n biscuits, lol) n was politely but firmly told that i could either upgrade or stand up.

    This was not in my budget so i stood up. If Rhydian and Beverley have the money n r willing to pay then why not. It just dpends what budget they're on n how much they value the getting the party started on the train. Same as last post, if they're skint and cant afford it, i dont see why they cant get the party started in the 2nd class section anyway. There's always ways n means whatever the budget...
  • bmcws
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    • 28th Nov 07, 2:41 AM
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    • 28th Nov 07, 2:41 AM
    They could very, very nicely ask someone in a pair of seats by themselves to move! Perhaps someone who's just boarded the train, who's not quite settled in... After all the single person has paid for one seat, one of them is likely going to be sitting next to the lone person, so there isn't much of a loss for the lone person.

    Alternatively, they could sit next to strangers and try to make friends with them! Or disturb them so much that they change seats!

    Of course, they could have a cup of tea and a biscuit in the restaurant carriage!
    • tallgirld
    • By tallgirld 28th Nov 07, 6:09 AM
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    • 28th Nov 07, 6:09 AM
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    • 28th Nov 07, 6:09 AM
    Nah. It will be pretty embarrassing when the inspector comes along!!
    • Marisan
    • By Marisan 28th Nov 07, 6:45 AM
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    • 28th Nov 07, 6:45 AM
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    • 28th Nov 07, 6:45 AM
    I think that it is ridiculous to have empty seats when people are standing.I abhor the whole concept of first and second class carriages anyway,they should all be of the same standard and price.So I think Rhydian and Beverley should sit in the first class seats,but no doubt the miserable inspector will move them
    .Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.
    • marjsim
    • By marjsim 28th Nov 07, 6:59 AM
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    • 28th Nov 07, 6:59 AM
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    • 28th Nov 07, 6:59 AM
    Here's this week's hypothetical situation for you to cogitate on:

    Should Rhydian and Beverley ride together?

    Rhydian and his new friend Beverley need to go west to London, as they've booked tickets to see Phantom Of The Opera. Upon boarding the train it becomes apparent there's nowhere to sit together in second class, and they don't want to sit apart, else they can't get the party started. The first class carriage, on the other hand is totally empty, but they've only got second class tickets. Should they raise themselves up and sit in first class?

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    Originally posted by MSE Natasha
    In my experience the seats are now as good if not better in second class than in first so they should go for it and good luck to them
  • CCCele
    Next time they should plan ahead. If they booked tickets to see a show, then chances are they had to book a fair bit in advance, so they should have booked seats on the train too along with cheap early bird train tickets.
    • olly300
    • By olly300 28th Nov 07, 8:01 AM
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    Normally when this happens you can sit on a row with the aisle in the middle and talk across the aisle.

    On lots of occassions where there is a family doing it or the people are talking a lot someone will offer to move for them so they can sit together.

    I've noticed that British people don't like sitting in the middle of two people talking especially on a long train journey.
    • golddustmedia
    • By golddustmedia 28th Nov 07, 8:20 AM
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    They've paid for a seat and there are seats available in 2nd class. Granted they're not together but none the less there are seats matching their tickets available!

    Perhaps find 2 seats in the same carriage and ask another passenger if they are willing to move?

    No harm in actually talking to someone on public transport you know!
    • luxor4t
    • By luxor4t 28th Nov 07, 8:25 AM
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    Hate to sound mean, but I don't move my seat to suit other people - as I have restricted mobility I have to get to the train early and choose my seat carefully. Nobody has ever been offended, but TBH few have ever asked.

    I try to book if at all possible, but there is a quota system and am often refused the chance to book.
  • steam dan
    Of course they should not sit in first class. They have paid to travel standard class so they should travel standard class. Seats are available and as they did not have the foresight to book in advance they should accept the situation.
    As someone who has previously worked in the buffet and restaurant cars of InterCity (prior to privatisation) I can tell you many stories of unrealistic expectations from customers. People bringing their own beer on the train and then demanding a free plastic glass from the buffet bar, often screaming about the price of their ticket when they are refused.
    I insisted on one bottled or canned drink purchase for each glass requested. Storage space was at a premium, and in my mind it was only right that plastic glasses should only be given to paying customers.
    • JayD
    • By JayD 28th Nov 07, 9:14 AM
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    Well if they had booked their tickets in advance they could have reserved seats (for a small fee). But, under these circumstances, if sitting together is so desperately important to them both, I would suggest that they sit in the First Class carriage and be prepared to either move, or pay the upgrade, should the ticket inspector come round.
    Personally I think it is an appalling indictment of our train service that there are frequently insufficient seats for second class passengers on busy routes - and even worse that there are invariably large numbers of empty first class seats along the same train. For 'second class carriage' it is often wiser to read 'cattle truck'.
    So, I say sit together in First Class but be prepared to pay the price or move.
    • jenando999
    • By jenando999 28th Nov 07, 10:07 AM
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    When I was coming back from holiday in the summer with my daughter we had 2nd class train tickets booked from Edinburgh to Dundee. As the train was packed and we stood with our luggage, a very nice ticket inspector told us we could sit in first class as it was empty. It soon filled up with people following our lead. I think we were just lucky to find a really nice inspector working that night.
  • Labdogslover
    Ask for an upgrade.
  • joannelovesbooks
    If there were no seats at all in second class I would say they should sit in first class, because I do think buying a ticket should entitle you to a seat if there is one, but since there are seats in second class they should sit there - I don't think buying a tickets entitles you to sit with your friend. But they should ask someone else to move seats so they can sit together.
    • mrbilbs
    • By mrbilbs 28th Nov 07, 1:27 PM
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    ...or they could have a meal in the first class dining car...and make it last. In some cases (on certain days) this might be cheaper than an upgrade.
  • harryhound
    Joys of London car ownership.

    Alternatively for a comfortable and relaxing journey, drive.
    Originally posted by ajbaker
    When did you last drive into London Theatre land ?

    Admittedly, they can probably leave it until after the 8GBP zone charge BUT after a stop go journey; avoiding all the automatic fine cameras for speeding, driving one wheel into a bus lane and getting trapped on yellow hatchings (by the cab driver in front deciding to pick up a fare), they still have to find a meter that will rip them off and probably run out before the evening shift of wardens go home. Then they can watch the show wondering if some slime ball has broken in a nicked the Tom Tom (or a scumbag has run a coin down the side of the car because they ignored the "Watch your car mister" protection racket.)


    One of the highlights of the 1000's of pounds I have spent with the rail companies as a London commuter, was a train arriving that was so full that for every 24 people squatting there were 12 standing on top of their feet. It was physically impossible to get in through the doors. Part of the trouble was that 2 of the 8 cars had been locked off. Then a mate and I noticed a window had not been shut completely, so we dragged it down and bunked in through the window, turning round to help drag in any fellow sufferers with the nerve to give it a try. Fortunately, after a tense stand off the outnumbered staff realised that the situation could get really ugly, if they compounded the fiasco any further by delaying the train, so they climbed down, unlocked the doors before sweeping the train out on its way.
    Great fun being threatened with Hell fire and brimstone over the Tannoy.

    That said not being able to sit next to your boy friend does not qualify for an outbreak of civil disobedience. On our line, in the run up to Christmas, you could probably crack open the carry out and offer it round the carriage.
    Last edited by harryhound; 28-11-2007 at 2:32 PM.
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