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    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 12th Jun 19, 5:19 PM
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    Electrical Work Quote
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    • 12th Jun 19, 5:19 PM
    Electrical Work Quote 12th Jun 19 at 5:19 PM
    Kitchen is 2m x6m

    Supply and fit 14 fire rated downlights 5w. Currently there are just 2 tube lights.

    Supply and fit double socket x 4 around kitchen area
    Supply fit isolator switch gas hob
    Supply and fit 4 switch grid switches
    A new 30amp supply for double oven including isolator switch
    A new light switch in current location
    Supply and fit 20w led outdoor pir light


    1000
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    • newbie1980
    • By newbie1980 12th Jun 19, 5:29 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 5:29 PM
    • #2
    • 12th Jun 19, 5:29 PM
    Kitchen is 2m x6m

    Supply and fit 14 fire rated downlights 5w. Currently there are just 2 tube lights.

    1/Supply and fit double socket x 4 around kitchen area
    2/Supply fit isolator switch gas hob
    3/Supply and fit 4 switch grid switches
    4/A new 30amp supply for double oven including isolator switch
    5/A new light switch in current location
    6/Supply and fit 20w led outdoor pir light


    1000
    Originally posted by bigpappa

    without seeing i would say

    1/420 2/50 3/50 4/180 5/10 6/ 80-120

    Dave
    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 12th Jun 19, 6:09 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 6:09 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 6:09 PM
    without seeing i would say

    1/420 2/50 3/50 4/180 5/10 6/ 80-120

    Dave
    Originally posted by newbie1980
    Thanks I am in West Yorkshire if that makes a difference. So about 800 in total.

    The work is to take 2 full days whilst the kitchen is fully stripped - no units in - just bare 4 walls.
    Last edited by bigpappa; 12-06-2019 at 6:11 PM.
    • newbie1980
    • By newbie1980 12th Jun 19, 6:48 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 6:48 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 6:48 PM
    Thanks I am in West Yorkshire if that makes a difference. So about 800 in total.

    The work is to take 2 full days whilst the kitchen is fully stripped - no units in - just bare 4 walls.
    Originally posted by bigpappa
    2 days labour about 400

    parts around the same so yes about 800 is right

    im in telford and this is what i would price a job at
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 12th Jun 19, 6:58 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 6:58 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 6:58 PM
    Thanks I am in West Yorkshire if that makes a difference. So about 800 in total.

    The work is to take 2 full days whilst the kitchen is fully stripped - no units in - just bare 4 walls.
    Originally posted by bigpappa
    He clearly hasn't offered a price for the 14 downlights so his estimate was incomplete.
    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 12th Jun 19, 7:53 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 7:53 PM
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    • 12th Jun 19, 7:53 PM
    He clearly hasn't offered a price for the 14 downlights so his estimate was incomplete.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    I assumed that was included in the 420 to put in 4 new sockets.

    So what extra for the downlights?
    • baldelectrician
    • By baldelectrician 13th Jun 19, 8:10 AM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 8:10 AM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 8:10 AM
    I usually price these things at 40 per item

    So an oven would be 80 (switch and outlet)

    What is more important is the electrician registered and compotent?

    You should use a competent person for the work, links below
    In Scotland:
    Individuals registered;
    http://www.certificationregister.co.uk/ApprovedCertifier

    Companies
    http://www.certificationregister.co.uk/ApprovedBodyReg

    In England and Wales:
    http://www.competentperson.co.uk

    www.niceic.com
    baldly going on...
    • Risteard
    • By Risteard 13th Jun 19, 9:58 AM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 9:58 AM
    I usually price these things at 40 per item
    Originally posted by baldelectrician
    It must be pointed out that that is very much on the cheap side and the OP cannot expect to get it at that sort of price.
    • baldelectrician
    • By baldelectrician 13th Jun 19, 1:11 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 1:11 PM
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    • 13th Jun 19, 1:11 PM
    It must be pointed out that that is very much on the cheap side and the OP cannot expect to get it at that sort of price.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    I am in Scotland so prices reflect the market here
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    • Suicidemachine
    • By Suicidemachine 13th Jun 19, 4:44 PM
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    I pai 35 supplied and installed for each new downlight in my new kitchen. I'm in Birmingham.
    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 13th Jun 19, 11:04 PM
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    I usually price these things at 40 per item

    So an oven would be 80 (switch and outlet)

    What is more important is the electrician registered and compotent?

    You should use a competent person for the work, links below
    In Scotland:
    Individuals registered;
    http://www.certificationregister.co.uk/ApprovedCertifier

    Companies
    http://www.certificationregister.co.uk/ApprovedBodyReg

    In England and Wales:
    http://www.competentperson.co.uk

    www.niceic.com
    Originally posted by baldelectrician
    The electrician is registered.

    40 per item - can you expand? For the work above is that 40 per light?
    • baldelectrician
    • By baldelectrician 14th Jun 19, 12:17 AM
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    Supply and fit 14 fire rated downlights 5w. Currently there are just 2 tube lights. 14 ITEMS

    Supply and fit double socket x 4 around kitchen area 4 ITEMS
    Supply fit isolator switch gas hob 2 ITEMS (switch and outlet)
    Supply and fit 4 switch grid switches 4 items
    A new 30amp supply for double oven including isolator switch 2 ITEMS
    A new light switch in current location
    Supply and fit 20w led outdoor pir light 2 ITEMS (1 for light, 1 for switch)

    I reckon 28 items @ 40 = 1120

    Things vary- I don't use downlights with integrated lamps- it causes decorative damage to change the whole unit but changing a lamp is OK.
    I still use fire rated downlights with replacable lamps (I use LED ones) this means that if a client changes it to a 'smart home system' then I can change the lamps if necessary to ones that are compatable rather than rip out the whole fittings and replace

    Remember you can get a cheap fire rated LED fitting with integrated lamp for 5 now - the ones I use are well over double that excluding lamps

    I have had fingers burnt before with integrated lamps in lights so I don't bother- I do give the client to option to go and buy their own and I will fit.

    Unfortunately in parts of the UK there are 2 tiers of electrician.
    Is he / she a time served tradesperson?

    Look and see if they are full scope NICEIC or ECA or only Part P.
    If they are Part P only then I would check more.

    My old apprentice (age 25) is now qualified and is working in London. On a recent contract he has worked he had 20 electricians on a job.

    Of those 20 'electricians' 18 were not apprentice trained but short course ones and only 2 were.
    The 2 that were time served were good and could be left to do the job but almost all of the others had to be 'baby sat' and needed constant checking.
    They asked school boy / girl questions that a 1st year apprentice should know but still wanted the full tradesperson rate

    I am going off on a rant here but you get my point.
    Last edited by baldelectrician; 14-06-2019 at 12:27 AM. Reason: Rant
    baldly going on...
    • bigpappa
    • By bigpappa 14th Jun 19, 8:54 AM
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    Supply and fit 14 fire rated downlights 5w. Currently there are just 2 tube lights. 14 ITEMS

    Supply and fit double socket x 4 around kitchen area 4 ITEMS
    Supply fit isolator switch gas hob 2 ITEMS (switch and outlet)
    Supply and fit 4 switch grid switches 4 items
    A new 30amp supply for double oven including isolator switch 2 ITEMS
    A new light switch in current location
    Supply and fit 20w led outdoor pir light 2 ITEMS (1 for light, 1 for switch)

    I reckon 28 items @ 40 = 1120

    Things vary- I don't use downlights with integrated lamps- it causes decorative damage to change the whole unit but changing a lamp is OK.
    I still use fire rated downlights with replacable lamps (I use LED ones) this means that if a client changes it to a 'smart home system' then I can change the lamps if necessary to ones that are compatable rather than rip out the whole fittings and replace

    Remember you can get a cheap fire rated LED fitting with integrated lamp for 5 now - the ones I use are well over double that excluding lamps

    I have had fingers burnt before with integrated lamps in lights so I don't bother- I do give the client to option to go and buy their own and I will fit.

    Unfortunately in parts of the UK there are 2 tiers of electrician.
    Is he / she a time served tradesperson?

    Look and see if they are full scope NICEIC or ECA or only Part P.
    If they are Part P only then I would check more.

    My old apprentice (age 25) is now qualified and is working in London. On a recent contract he has worked he had 20 electricians on a job.

    Of those 20 'electricians' 18 were not apprentice trained but short course ones and only 2 were.
    The 2 that were time served were good and could be left to do the job but almost all of the others had to be 'baby sat' and needed constant checking.
    They asked school boy / girl questions that a 1st year apprentice should know but still wanted the full tradesperson rate

    I am going off on a rant here but you get my point.
    Originally posted by baldelectrician
    Thank you for your kind advice and help, it's really appreciated.

    With respect to the lights - I should specify the following

    1)Ip65

    2)removable lamps

    3)Should I go for warm white 3k or cool white 4k considering there are 14 downlights in a 12m square kitchen.

    4)Would you recommend upgrading to dimmable lights or is it just a personal preference?

    Is there any make of lights I should look for?
    • baldelectrician
    • By baldelectrician 14th Jun 19, 2:05 PM
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    Thank you for your kind advice and help, it's really appreciated.

    With respect to the lights - I should specify the following

    1)Ip65- no reason it is not a bathroom

    2)removable lamps YES

    3)Should I go for warm white 3k or cool white 4k considering there are 14 downlights in a 12m square kitchen.
    Warm white gives a more yellow light which is closer to a standard lamp.

    4)Would you recommend upgrading to dimmable lights or is it just a personal preference?
    Thats why I buy ones that take seperate lamps- then you can change brand if the lamps you have do not work with a particular Alexa / Google dimmer

    Is there any make of lights I should look for?
    Originally posted by bigpappa
    Good ones- buy branded lamps such as Philips, Osram, Sylvania, Enlite.
    baldly going on...
    • newbie1980
    • By newbie1980 17th Jun 19, 6:01 AM
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    He clearly hasn't offered a price for the 14 downlights so his estimate was incomplete.
    Originally posted by Risteard
    no1/ on my list was downlights i missed no1/out on his list though so 1000 is about right
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